any knot guys?

[juanbenae]

used my winch for the 1st time on the jeep this weekend while running the slick rock trail up here in the foothills of CA. crazy hard trail that the last obstacle was a hill called the gauntlet and it lived up to it's name. while i was winching myself up i scuffed my nylon winch "rope" rather extensively. rather than pony up another $250 im going to attempt to cut the 12 or so feet off it and reattach it to the hook.

it has a steel loop guide the line runs through at the hook to protect it with the factory line opened up and woven back into itself.



there is no way i can replicate the woven section so im looking for suggestions on a good knot to run through the steep loop and then tie it back onto the line itself. anybody have a suggestion for what would hold tight and be as low profile as possible?

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thanks in advance for any suggestions

[vash]

i suggest you buy the new rope! i cant guarantee a fishing knot at this point in my life. there is no hope of me tying on a winch rope knot.

[nota]

woven connection is called a splice and is way way stronger then any knot

there are lots of u-tube videos on how to splice rope

nylon is stretchy Dacron or the new dyneema rope is better for a winch for less elongation

once you learn to splice adding a cover to the first bit that gets cut up is a snap

[wilnj]

Sorry, no help on the appropriate knot but I suggest you stop by the local firehouse with some sort of donation and get some old hose to use as a chafe guard.

[wilnj]

Here's some thoughts on splicing vs. knots.

https://factor55.com/uncategorized/broken-winch-line-splice-or-knot-tie/

Here's a how-to on splicing.

https://youtu.be/Q22wgYZL9f0

[juanbenae]

i had a 6' chafe sleeve on it that would not run through the snatch block and a strap around the anchor boulder.

i did look at a couple videos just now on splicing multi strand rope and it is way beyond what im capable of. a 3 or 4 strand i might be able to do in watching some of the videos, but this is a minimum of a 12-16 strand synthetic line.

[Tidybuoy]

Splicing may seem daunting but it is not that difficult to do. I haven't done it since I was in Sea Scouts so I can't remember the exact method but you should be able to find something on YouTube.

Basically, you are going to unravel 5 or 6 inches of the end. After it is run thru the metal piece, you will loosen the existing (receiving) piece of the rope and then each strand of the end is threaded into the loose section. There is a method that you will follow which is something like: thread one piece into the first section, then thread the next, then the next, and then repeat the whole process until you have it all threaded.

[juanbenae]

nice! great video wilnj. seems like something i could do. im watching a couple other videos that rolled after the one you linked hoping to see the stitching with the floss or fishing line actually demonstrated. thanks wil.

edit:: i think this will be my effort https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpkqJ4GRfSg

[Pazuzu]

While you're watching those videos, rewind that rope please.

[flipper35]

When did they start using rope and not cable for a winch?

[nota]

Originally Posted by flipper35

When did they start using rope and not cable for a winch?

when super plastic's became common

dyneema the newest one is 10 times stronger for equal weight
and does not get ''fishhooks'' like steel does so ''lite and no bite''

[Cooper911SC]

If it broke out on the trail and you just needed to tie the hook back on I would use a Figure 8 on the follow through.

This is a very common end knot used in climbing and for industrial workers at height.

Splicing it will be stronger and let you re use the eye protector.

[pete3799]

Put a cable on. Rope?

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by nota

when super plastic's became common

dyneema the newest one is 10 times stronger for equal weight
and does not get ''fishhooks'' like steel does so ''lite and no bite''

Ah. Last time I used a winch was back in the 90s and it was only an 8000lb winch. I wish it had been a 12,000lb or had a longer cable to block and tackle it. Mud sucks, literally.

[LWJ]

Ok. I can't splice either but it is the cure.

Buy a rope with the same strand design. YouTube the splice. Practice. You are welcome.

[Tidybuoy]

Another option is to order thread from a sail shop. Fold the line over to the desired loop, the thread, using a large needle (from a sail shop) is passed thru the two lines, wrapped, threaded thru, and over an over until it's super secure.

[Geneman]

double bowline. ever do any sailing? you need to be able to tie and break this in your sleep .. say at night with 25 ft seas in the gulf stream...

[rusnak]

Probably a good idea to learn how to splice rope, and carry a spare spool and parts while on the trail.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by nota

when super plastic's became common

dyneema the newest one is 10 times stronger for equal weight
and does not get ''fishhooks'' like steel does so ''lite and no bite''

Also, the synthetic ropes tend to drop to the ground when they break, instead of flinging themselves through the face of whomever is nearby.

Also, they're a billion times lighter, more flexible, and easier to drag through brush and stuff, so your spotter won't hate you and curse you every time they need to wind it out and find a tree.

[Bill Douglas]

Splicing is quite easy.

Have a few practice runs to get the knack of it. A blob of paint on the end bits is a good idea to stop it unwinding. I used to be a truck driver and we did these knots all the time.