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onewhippedpuppy 10-08-2020 02:56 PM

Why Doesn’t Every Hood Do This?
 
Replaced the main battery in my E63, and was thinking about something so simple that makes life so much easier. For someone like me that has a propensity to bang my head on everything it’s a lifesaver. Why is Mercedes the only company that does this?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1602197782.jpg

stevej37 10-08-2020 03:02 PM

Hang the car on it's front to change the battery??

ckissick 10-08-2020 03:06 PM

So you can stand on the hood while working on the engine.

stevej37 10-08-2020 03:08 PM

If they shaped the underside of the hood into a drain-pan.....a great idea.

Baz 10-08-2020 03:11 PM

Here ya go.....and I agree....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1602198678.jpg

stevej37 10-08-2020 03:16 PM

I don't know...I don't think I've ever hit my head on the hood while working under it.
Plus...where do you hang the the light now?

RWebb 10-08-2020 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckissick (Post 11057650)
So you can stand on the hood while working on the engine.

or straddle the hood and RIDE that V-8 !!

Dantilla 10-08-2020 03:51 PM

Jeep Wrangler.
Use the prop rod, and it's like any other hood.

Better: Forget the prop rod. Flip the hood over until its resting on the windshield header.

fastfredracing 10-08-2020 03:54 PM

On lots of cars, you can pop off the hood struts, and it will sit way up like that . Of course, you have to prop it up somehow.
That is a sexy motor, I love those cars .

regency 10-08-2020 04:10 PM

my 2017 Civic Coupe can do that too.

Steve

wdfifteen 10-08-2020 05:04 PM

The hood on my ‘63 Dodge pickup would fold back against the windshield.
It had the famous 225ci “leaning tower of power” engine. Some jokester friend took a picture of my girlfriend and I Inside the engine bay peering out from under the almost closed hood.

JackDidley 10-08-2020 05:23 PM

They should all open like this.:D:D


https://external-content.duckduckgo....jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Embraer 10-08-2020 05:27 PM

Old Mercedes's have two hood settings...normal and vertical.

fastfredracing 10-08-2020 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackDidley (Post 11057816)
They should all open like this.:D:D


https://external-content.duckduckgo....jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Those are still a pain in the ass to work on . You end up climbing up over the wheel, and standing behind it . Then, all the stuff on the front that is usually easy to get at, has you leaning way over .

onewhippedpuppy 10-08-2020 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Embraer (Post 11057823)
Old Mercedes's have two hood settings...normal and vertical.

My R230 has the little tab that you push to move the hood up to vertical. The W212 just has a spring loaded cam that you push past to vertical.

The Wrangler is a good one, I had forgotten about that. I was totally unaware that the Civic offered it.

JackDidley 10-08-2020 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 11057852)
Those are still a pain in the ass to work on . You end up climbing up over the wheel, and standing behind it . Then, all the stuff on the front that is usually easy to get at, has you leaning way over .

Ive spent hours and hours sitting on a front tire working on them. You are not working in the dark. Never worry about scratching a fender. I prefer that to a conventional hood.

Rodney Nelson 10-08-2020 07:59 PM

I had a 2001 E55 AMG and was amazed when I realized I could click a button on the hinge to make it go vertical. Amazing, seriously. It made working on the car so easy because so many items are close to the cowl.

unclebilly 10-08-2020 08:00 PM

99-2007 gmc and Chevrolet trucks do that too.

onewhippedpuppy 10-09-2020 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 11057981)
99-2007 gmc and Chevrolet trucks do that too.

I had a 2001 Chevy and don’t recall it having that feature.

javadog 10-09-2020 04:02 AM

Mercedes hoods have done that for a very long time.

rfuerst911sc 10-09-2020 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11058148)
I had a 2001 Chevy and don’t recall it having that feature.

I have a 2001 GMC and I also don't know about this feature . How is it done ?

asphaltgambler 10-09-2020 04:25 AM

So Mercedes has had that feature called "Service Position" for a very long time. From a technical standpoint is a huge aid when working on these. One of the many things that I enjoyed when I was in the field specific to Merc

racer 10-09-2020 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asphaltgambler (Post 11058176)
So Mercedes has had that feature called "Service Position" for a very long time. From a technical standpoint is a huge aid when working on these. One of the many things that I enjoyed when I was in the field specific to Merc

Agreed.

Stems from the old days when their cars had rather large/tall chrome grills. Kept them out of the way of the mechanic and cut down on "safety incidents" when a mechanic would have to step away to get bandaged up ;) Also allows very good access to the entire compartment vs getting stuck in the "v" area that is otherwise so common.

slow&rusty 10-09-2020 05:24 AM

Mercedes is a fantastic car company. If you own a model long enough and work on it, you will really appreciated the engineering and R&D that goes into them.

And to Matt's original picture..I appreciate that hood position:
https://scontent.fhou1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...e2&oe=5FA713D8

javadog 10-09-2020 05:39 AM

If only Mercedes cars were not so complicated, perhaps more reliable and if their parts prices were so obnoxious....

I might still have one or two of them laying around...

porsche tech 10-09-2020 05:51 AM

My Civic and my Oddesey both have a normal and an extra wide opening. Old 1970 M/B had it too...to get the grill out of the way.

fastfredracing 10-09-2020 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc (Post 11058152)
I have a 2001 GMC and I also don't know about this feature . How is it done ?

Yeah, tell me more. Mine has traditional hinges, it only goes up to normal height.
The engine bay is so cavernous, though, that you can pull the motor without removing the hood . At least on the gassers

asphaltgambler 10-09-2020 05:55 AM

For me bay-Mm-Vay is my ride of choice, unfortunately with the recent "M" models being the worst in reliability- I would seriously look at comparable AMG car. I know those have issues as well, but ar least rod bearings at not ' normal- 50K maintenance item. Head bolts- ok, rod bearings not so much

wildthing 10-09-2020 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche tech (Post 11058264)
Old 1970 M/B had it too...to get the grill out of the way.

I was just about to say, old MBs' hoods went straight up all the time because of the large grille.

And now that this thread popped up, I looked up old E30s and I thought they all opened the other way, but it seems that it's a mod. Or is that just some E30s not all?

javadog 10-09-2020 06:19 AM

E30 hoods were hinged at the front. It was not limited to the E 30, it was a common thing that they eventually abandoned.

onewhippedpuppy 10-09-2020 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11058248)
If only Mercedes cars were not so complicated, perhaps more reliable and if their parts prices were so obnoxious....

I might still have one or two of them laying around...

Having spun wrenches on all of the German makes I’ve overall found MB products to be the best made and overly engineered. Particularly considering the modern models, where there seems to be more metallic hardware and less plastic that will crumble and fall apart.

javadog 10-09-2020 07:49 AM

You haven’t owned enough Mercedes-Benz products yet, you’re still a youngster, this will bite you in the ass in time.

greglepore 10-09-2020 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11058453)
You haven’t owned enough Mercedes-Benz products yet, you’re still a youngster, this will bite you in the ass in time.

LOL. Yeah, as much as I love MB's there is a certain "hey look, we can do it THIS way" thought to some of their systems and features. As in the remote control interior rearview in early 140s. etc.

Nostril Cheese 10-09-2020 08:00 AM

Just a nitpick, but I might check if the battery needs to be synched with the car, if not done already... Some of the newer German cars have that nonsense.

javadog 10-09-2020 08:00 AM

Yeah, just to rag on that one car....

I had one too and never busted my mirror but a whole bunch of people did. I had a rock or something take out the temperature sensor for the outside temperature display, that was quite the cluster**** to replace. Then there was the biodegradable engine wiring harness, that was a great idea. And I’ll mention that putting pads and rotors on that car was more expensive than any of my Ferraris or 930s.

I could go on.

slow&rusty 10-09-2020 08:31 AM

Javadog - damn dude, ain't you a freaking ray of sunshine. I think you like so many people sensationalize the negative and forget the smile on your face that these cars actually give. If you want reliability you have lots of other options.

The R129 SL I posted above has 90,000 miles, and in the last three (3) years I've spent a whopping $120 on a new clutch fan...that's it. All 12 hydraulic cylinders for the top work fine and everything else. That car has the original paint that is now 23 years old, it has been driven through snow blizzards, standing flood water in Houston and continues to run and run and still look good. This is a testament to MB's build quality and their products.

Doing pads and rotors on any old Benz is typical of ANY car from that time period, I guess you're talking about the hubs or bearing carriers that are bolted to the backside of the front rotors? Well guess what, lots of cars had that design even the Datsun Z, which was one of the easiest cars to work on. That was typical for chassis \ suspension layouts at the time.

I'm doing the brakes on my 560SEC right now plus freshening up the entire front end - its really not that bad at all. I bought all the parts brand new from MB USA even the wheel bearings, prices are comparable (or less) than your average Camry or Avalon. I'm talking from the dealer (OEM) across the counter not aftermarket Chinese made stuff.

I've been working on MBs since the '80s (the first was my Dad's W116 S-Class) and hardly a youngster and yes I could go on as well.

Nostril Cheese 10-09-2020 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 11058479)
Yeah, just to rag on that one car....

I had one too and never busted my mirror but a whole bunch of people did. I had a rock or something take out the temperature sensor for the outside temperature display, that was quite the cluster**** to replace. Then there was the biodegradable engine wiring harness, that was a great idea. And I’ll mention that putting pads and rotors on that car was more expensive than any of my Ferraris or 930s.

I could go on.

I mostly work on Euro stuff. I wont touch Mercedes.

javadog 10-09-2020 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 11058518)
I mostly work on Euro stuff. I wont touch Mercedes.

My favorite shop owner works on every German car but Mercedes... And, I think he was a Mercedes tech at some point early in his career, before he got his own shop.

Nostril Cheese 10-09-2020 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greglepore (Post 11058472)
LOL. Yeah, as much as I love MB's there is a certain "hey look, we can do it THIS way" thought to some of their systems and features. As in the remote control interior rearview in early 140s. etc.

What does BDSM spell out?

S-CLASS

widebody911 10-09-2020 08:37 AM

At first glance it looks useful, but actually it's a PITA

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a2/80...e88e948393.jpg


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