Simple Cloth Masks

[island911]

Originally Posted by cabmando

I'll be honest, I don't even know how to respond to that nonsense. It's truly stunning.

At least you admit you ignorance on that. Although what he says is not nonsense if you can follow.

Let's see if I can help decipher for ya.

What webb posted was modeling only one potential vector for transmission. A vector that depends on parallel model. One mode, droplets of a certain size are looked at. Also, only one direction. Fint hints at this with the example of someone in line, behind someone with a leaky edge mask.

Clearly the virus sheds not only in droplets of large size, nor only in one direction.

[island911]

From the OP link

Large-eddy simulation results of the aerosol “clouds” generated by the breathing of an infected host in a turbulent boundary layer. Credit: Rajat Mittal, Charles Meneveau and Wen Wu

Let's say that the mask wearer if faced into the wind.. the cloud du covid goes where?

[Bigtoe32067]

I live in texas and virtually no one wears mask unless going into stores.
I don’t know if they work or not so I hedge my bets and wear one always because of the three factors that increase the possibility of death from contracting the virus, I have all three.
I’m a very loyal Trump voter but I still choose to wear a mask no matter who says what.
Better safe than sorry.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Don't waste your time on that brain damaged moron.
Any evidence that shows masks block droplets, he just says "No."
Dumb ****ing imbecile has his mind made up.
Hopefully he dies a slow painful death.

WTF is wrong with you ?

[black73]

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by black73

Which one ?

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by island911

At least you admit you ignorance on that. Although what he says is not nonsense if you can follow.

Let's see if I can help decipher for ya.

What webb posted was modeling only one potential vector for transmission. A vector that depends on parallel model. One mode, droplets of a certain size are looked at. Also, only one direction. Fint hints at this with the example of someone in line, behind someone with a leaky edge mask.

Clearly the virus sheds not only in droplets of large size, nor only in one direction.

Anyone posting memes of a person who inhaled vapor and then exhaled it around a mask has no place in this conversation and honestly isn't worth trying to have a serious discussion about this with.

"Studying "transmission" as how it flies through the air is not the same as studying "transmission" ...where people catch the disease or not "... Yeah... it really is. With respiratory viruses epidemiologists and virologists have studied them enough to understand the most common paths of transmission, meaning how the virus travels and how it infects others around an infected person. They are also currently studying airborne spread and so far nothing suggests that this virus is truly airborne which is why the CDC has not changed their guidelines.

And anyone saying that me wearing a mask in line might actually make me get the virus.... is talking "jibba jabba" And I pitty the foo that talks jibba jabba.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Magic shield?
That comment reveals everything.

No, you ignorant piece of ****.

Please do everyone a favor and infect your entire family.
Selfish unpatriotic piece of trash.

It gets better, Fint brags about his daughter being a doctor.

Then again, he also brags about cracking two football helmets (his own) in High School.

Don't try to make sense of Fint, he is just here to entertain.

Now back to the original article, other information posted by medical professionals in this forum indicates homemade cloth masks are inferior to surgeon style masks in restricting water vapors that the virus hitches a ride on.

Just saying, something is better than nothing, but one needs to keep the nose covered, and wear the mask and not just let it dangle from an ear or lay over the neck.

Masks don't work if you don't wear them.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by kach22i

It gets better, Fint brags about his daughter being a doctor.

Then again, he also brags about cracking two football helmets (his own) in High School.

Don't try to make sense of Fint, he is just here to entertain.

Now back to the original article, other information posted by medical professionals in this forum indicates homemade cloth masks are inferior to surgeon style masks in restricting water vapors that the virus hitches a ride on.

Just saying, something is better than nothing, but one needs to keep the nose covered, and wear the mask and not just let it dangle from an ear or lay over the neck.

Masks don't work if you don't wear them.

That depends on whether it's single layer or double layer and what type of cloth that is used. Again I think this entire discussion boils down to poor messaging. The reason there is so much confusion around masks is due to so many things appearing to be contradictory and people not understanding that "reducing the spread" doesn't mean "protecting the wearer"

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by cabmando

That depends on whether it's single layer or double layer and what type of cloth that is used. Again I think this entire discussion boils down to poor messaging. The reason there is so much confusion around masks is due to so many things appearing to be contradictory and people not understanding that "reducing the spread" doesn't mean "protecting the wearer"

Masks are like condoms, both are misused more often than you would think.

https://www.nbcnews.com/healthmain/condom-use-101-basic-errors-are-so-common-study-finds-207925

Unfortunately, a new review of research finds that condom use errors are all too common.

[cabmandone]

These folks are studying transmission... but they aren't studying transmission...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.26.20219089v1.full-text

[fintstone]

Folks with real arguments generally don't need to make personal attacks...just sayin.

[black73]

Originally Posted by KC911

Which one ?

Dealer's choice.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by island911

At least you admit you ignorance on that. Although what he says is not nonsense if you can follow.

Let's see if I can help decipher for ya.

What webb posted was modeling only one potential vector for transmission. A vector that depends on parallel model. One mode, droplets of a certain size are looked at. Also, only one direction. Fint hints at this with the example of someone in line, behind someone with a leaky edge mask.

Clearly the virus sheds not only in droplets of large size, nor only in one direction.

Originally Posted by fintstone

Folks with real arguments generally don't need to make personal attacks...just sayin.

I agree with you and thanks for having my back on that.

[pksystems]

[Mike80911]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Magic shield?
That comment reveals everything.

No, you ignorant piece of ****.

Please do everyone a favor and infect your entire family.
Selfish unpatriotic piece of trash.

Not really a way to add to the conversation. If you have a counterpoint to his assertion it is not really evident in this post.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by cabmando

These folks are studying transmission... but they aren't studying transmission...
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.26.20219089v1.full-text

From the mouths of babes. That is somewhat true. There is a difference between transmission and modes of transmission. Since the term transmission (as far as virus are concerned) entails one person actually getting COVID from another person, studying fluid dynamics, models, or saliva does not study actual transmission. If you truly want to study transmission, the simplest way is to test subjects before they get the disease, not afterwards...then turn them loose under known conditions You would need to start with all healthy people with similar age and health and divide them into two groups operating in a variety of known, and same environment with known carriers. One group would need to wear the cheesy cloth masks and the other not. Then you would have data on the effect of mask wear on transmission. Knowing how far one can spit, assuming that anyone without a mask in that range will catch the disease really does not study transmission. Most studies posted here make so many assumptions that while informative and perhaps a piece of the puzzle, they prove nothing regarding actual transmission.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Anyone posting memes of a person who inhaled vapor and then exhaled it around a mask has no place in this conversation and honestly isn't worth trying to have a serious discussion about this with.

"Studying "transmission" as how it flies through the air is not the same as studying "transmission" ...where people catch the disease or not "... Yeah... it really is. With respiratory viruses epidemiologists and virologists have studied them enough to understand the most common paths of transmission, meaning how the virus travels and how it infects others around an infected person. They are also currently studying airborne spread and so far nothing suggests that this virus is truly airborne which is why the CDC has not changed their guidelines.

And anyone saying that me wearing a mask in line might actually make me get the virus.... is talking "jibba jabba" And I pitty the foo that talks jibba jabba.

No one has ever assumed it was not airborne...as it is airborne once it leaves the body (from a cough, sneeze or in the moist air when one is breathing)...until it is not (gravity pulls it to the ground). The question has been if it is occurring naturally in aerosol form or if there are clouds of smaller droplets...and if so, is that a significant path of infection. That is why there is concern about distance and confined area. It is estimated that at less than six feet, gravity defeats large particle (droplets) but smaller droplets remain in the air and are replenished by breathing forming a more or less constant "cloud". In general, scientists have been unsure as to aerosol form as that would entail droplets drying and the nuclei being light enough to remain in the air almost indefinitely and small enough to easy penetrate a cloth mask. In the past, for this type infection, aerosol transmission was considered to not be a factor except in setting where they were mechanically generated as in a hospital setting (where ventilators are used or some other procedure is performed).

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by kach22i

It gets better, Fint brags about his daughter being a doctor.

Then again, he also brags about cracking two football helmets (his own) in High School.

Don't try to make sense of Fint, he is just here to entertain.

Now back to the original article, other information posted by medical professionals in this forum indicates homemade cloth masks are inferior to surgeon style masks in restricting water vapors that the virus hitches a ride on.

Just saying, something is better than nothing, but one needs to keep the nose covered, and wear the mask and not just let it dangle from an ear or lay over the neck.

Masks don't work if you don't wear them.

Always a personal attack with you too.

My daughter is a doctor. A very good one. So are other relatives.

I actually did break two helmets in high school football. I played linebacker and was somewhat famous for that locally (despite not really being all that good)...but it is entirely possible that the old equipment we used was defective. We generally stopped bigger running backs with what is called "spearing" in the pros...and if they put their head down once you launched yourself, it was a pretty had collision. It is too bad you could not play as it was a valuable experience.

Surgeons masks are designed to be used in a sterile environment to essentially prevent doctors from infecting patients that they are directly over and very close to. They do not seal in any way and it is ludicrous to assume that airborne particulates are not emitted around the mask. While it may stop your drooling...there is no proof that they stop the transmission of COVID 19.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Don't waste your time on that brain damaged moron.
Any evidence that shows masks block droplets, he just says "No."
Dumb ****ing imbecile has his mind made up.
Hopefully he dies a slow painful death.

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Don't waste your time on that brain damaged moron.
Any evidence that shows masks block droplets, he just says "No."
Dumb ****ing imbecile has his mind made up.
Hopefully he dies a slow painful death.

I imagine you feel pretty good about your ability to make these sort of remarks in a forum where my responding in kind would get me banned. I will not take that bait.
Don't expect me to lower myself to that level. In fact, I would like to help. If you spent more time researching the topic/issue and you would not need to behave so. I can recommend some reading for you if that will help.