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cantdrv55 12-01-2020 10:53 AM

It’s year end performance review time again
 
The management consultant who thought up the employee self eval process ought to be shot. End of rant.

MBAtarga 12-01-2020 11:01 AM

Where I am, it doesn't matter what you document as your accomplishments - whatever pay "raise" you get is what the boss thinks of you compared to others that he has to share/distribute the funds to.

billybek 12-01-2020 11:03 AM

I wanted to say that my goals for this year was to keep covid free....

Scott Douglas 12-01-2020 11:05 AM

I am soooo glad those days are far behind me.

masraum 12-01-2020 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cantdrv55 (Post 11124669)
The management consultant who thought up the employee self eval process ought to be shot. End of rant.

I hate the self eval part of the year.

I worked someplace once where we were supposed to do a self eval grading ourselves on a scale of 1-5 (5 is good). I gave myself a couple of fives. I was told "you can't give yourself a 5. A is only warranted for someone who really goes above and beyond and does a lot of extra work that isn't asked of them, and pretty much no one does that."

I worked another place that also used a 1-5 scale, and before I worked there, managers had to set 20% as "5", 10% as "1" and the rest in the middle somewhere. (or maybe I've got the percentages backwards, I don't know for sure). I know a guy that had been a manager at that time. He told me that one year his whole team was amazing, all of them were great with no one that wasn't excelling, but he still had to pick someone to be at the bottom of the list who therefore got reduced compensation. He said that his team was blowing all of the peer teams out of the water. He said that he went to HR and argued and lost. Apparently several folks quit including folks that hadn't been in the bottom group. I don't blame them. Fortunately, when I was there, that was no longer a requirement (or if it was, it wasn't "official" and I wasn't ever in the bottom of the list).

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Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 11124680)
Where I am, it doesn't matter what you document as your accomplishments - whatever pay "raise" you get is what the boss thinks of you compared to others that he has to share/distribute the funds to.

I also worked at a place where near the beginning of the year, you had criteria given to you by management (do X, Y and Z this year, these are minimums, there are good and anything extra is great, these are a big part of how you'll be evaluated at the end of the year). I usually blew all or most of those items out of the water. I also worked a ton of OT. My manager knew that any time they needed someone, they could ask and I'd be there. I had a buddy that also was at the top of the list for all or most of the criteria. I was always graded in the middle of the pack. My buddy got one step below avg one year, and blamed that on a bit of a personality conflict with his manager. The next year, (different manager) he said "screw it, I'm going to ignore all of the criteria, and pretty much intentionally tank all of them. But I'm going to make nice with all of the managers (we had several, think "Office Space"). He did, he was pretty much the next to last person on the list for every criteria that year, and he got a "5 rating overall with a good raise and bonus.

And yes, the manager of the group was given a pool, and the manager divvied the pool up how they saw fit. I always worked OT. I always got a dead center rating. I always got a modest raise. I never got a bonus (you worked X amount of OT, so are ineligible). I know guys that sometimes got better than avg ratings and sometimes worse than avg. Those guys sometimes got bonuses, but also sometimes got nothing including not getting a modest raise.

Fortunately, we both eventually moved on from that team to other teams and eventually other jobs that were far, far better. After I moved teams, I don't think I ever got an average rating.

Ayles 12-01-2020 11:38 AM

One perk of working at a startup is dispensing with that formality.

Also worked at a large gaming company for many years that didnt have a review process.

URY914 12-01-2020 11:44 AM

Another one is "Stating your goals for next year"

This year my goals have to be able to be measured and align with the companies goals.
Good Lord :rolleyes:

legion 12-01-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 11124680)
Where I am, it doesn't matter what you document as your accomplishments - whatever pay "raise" you get is what the boss thinks of you compared to others that he has to share/distribute the funds to.

Yep. In my previous job I would ask my boss every year when pay decisions were made. It was always BEFORE we did our required end of year Employee Performance Review. I asked why I was expected to spend several days documenting what I did for the year when it had no bearing whatsoever on the raise I got. Then I got told that I wasn't a team player. :rolleyes:

It also pissed me off that the first time my boss would learn of much of what I did was after she'd already made a decision on my raise (or lack thereof).

My new job? My boss does the eval for me. We meet weekly and she actually knows what I do. I did have to do an eval for one of our interns, but I felt like that was way easier than doing it for myself.

stevej37 12-01-2020 12:18 PM

I'm giving myself a 100
no problems with getting out of bed in the am.
having fun every day.
able to get to sleep easily every night.

That's all that matters.

masraum 12-01-2020 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 11124763)
Another one is "Stating your goals for next year"

This year my goals have to be able to be measured and align with the companies goals.
Good Lord :rolleyes:

Yep, standard practice.

Nostril Cheese 12-01-2020 12:42 PM

I didnt work on any 944s, Land Rovers or Jettas. 100%

Nostril Cheese 12-01-2020 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 11124819)
I'm giving myself a 100
no problems with getting out of bed in the am.
having fun every day.
able to get to sleep easily every night.

That's all that matters.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1606858974.jpg

stevej37 12-01-2020 12:51 PM

^^^ Thanks...retirement is so awesome!
Every day I wake up thinking 'what do I want to to do today?' There is no limit.

rfuerst911sc 12-01-2020 12:54 PM

I retired 3 years ago from Lockheed Martin we had been doing self evaluation for a long time . I quickly learned it was corporate BS and I played the game . Took me about 15 minutes to cut and paste all my achievements for the year . I just kept a spreadsheet started in January with EVERY achievement , performance bonuses , positive comments from co-workers and customers .

Basically I baffled them with BS . They wouldn't take the time to disprove anything ........ I was the best thing since sliced bread 😁 . I got a healthy raise for 15 years straight ! Others around me struggled . Play the game boys and girls . I don't miss that stupidity at all .

Tidybuoy 12-01-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cantdrv55 (Post 11124669)
The management consultant who thought up the employee self eval process ought to be shot


I totally agree. I generally turn in a duplicate of last year's with a few mods to make me look special. When you're in my profession, it's hard to list accomplishments.....I did a really lot of debits & credits this year.

What I hate worse is doing my people's reviews. Sometime I just want to say "you suck!" But I try to be motivating with a little critique mixed in.

ckelly78z 12-01-2020 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by billybek (Post 11124688)
I wanted to say that my goals for this year was to keep covid free....

I could say that, but my boss couldn't...2 weeks off !

I whole heartedly agree on the self evaluations, I keep writing down a different version of the same crap every year.

DRONE 12-01-2020 01:33 PM

Haven't had to do one all year, Retiring 12/31/2020 after 35 years, that was my one and only goal!

pwd72s 12-01-2020 01:38 PM

One month to go and I'll have kept breathing through 2020. Success! SmileWavy

vash 12-01-2020 01:54 PM

i typed out one i should have used GREEN font. my boss was like, "you sure you want me to use this one?"..i said, "YES!".

i never heard even a whisper. i dont think anyone reads ours.

this year, i am explaining how to make the perfect meatball. :)

jcommin 12-01-2020 01:56 PM

I don't put much into reviews. Budgets for raises are a zero sum game. The budget is finite. And it largely depends on the company's performance for that year that determines the pot of money. I did not get a raise this year - I could have had a personal best in terms of accomplishments and it wouldn't have made a difference. I'm actually more concerned with the yearly bonus - it is tied to performance of my company.

MBAtarga 12-01-2020 04:48 PM

And I forgot to mention above - I almost always get rated as Exceeds, but because I'm on the upper end of the pay scale for my position, my pay increase percentage is reduced. If I made less, my raise would be much higher. Makes no sense to me.

LWJ 12-01-2020 05:35 PM

100% commissioned. I just look myself in the eye at the end of the year.

Working for the man is a different thing in my world. One of the better parts.

masraum 12-01-2020 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MBAtarga (Post 11125153)
And I forgot to mention above - I almost always get rated as Exceeds, but because I'm on the upper end of the pay scale for my position, my pay increase percentage is reduced. If I made less, my raise would be much higher. Makes no sense to me.

That was like me, any time they called and said "can you work," I said "yes, I'll be in." Then at the end of the year, "we can't give you a bonus, because you worked too much."

legion 12-01-2020 06:17 PM

True story.

About 20 years ago, we went to the current system where you have set goals at the beginning of the year and write up all of your accomplishments at the end. A few years into the system and an acquaintance of mine was absolutely convinced that his boss didn't really read his EPR (employee performance review). I'd often thought the same thing but was never brave enough to test it. He decided that he would test it and made one of his goals "75% participation in Hawaiian shirt Fridays." Sure enough, his manager signed off on his goals and didn't say a word. He'd proven that his boss didn't really read the goals.

Shortly after mid-cycle review (halfway through the year), his boss angrily called him into his office. It seems that the boss's boss had pulled a random sample of EPRs and his was one of them. One can imagine that the boss was reamed a new one for letting this slip through. No good deed goes unpunished though. This guy was told that he had failed to report on the participation levels of Hawaiian shirt Friday and his manager expected an e-mail with participation numbers every Friday. Sure enough, at the end of the year, he was given a low rating and no raise, ostensibly because he did not meet the goal of 75% participation in Hawaiian shirt Friday, but actually because he'd embarrassed his boss and this was payback.

jyl 12-01-2020 06:21 PM

I’m now self employed, so I get a self evaluation every day. But I’m a bad employee and sometimes don’t show up for it.

dafischer 12-01-2020 06:33 PM

Out of the corporate world Jan. 2010, and partners with my wife in our tax and accounting practice, that she started in 1993, since then. We're selling the practice, and the deal is just about finalized. I'm done 12/31 and she's staying on with the new owner to aid in transition, for about a year. Adios working world, having worked in one way, shape or form since 1970.
What's a performance review again?

mattdavis11 12-01-2020 06:42 PM

I get evaluated every week. I told them when I signed on to this position, one I gave up 8 years ago, that I didn't care if they told me or not. I really don't, the resources are there if I was to want to check.

So, my manager and his manager conference call me one night after I got home. We go over a few things, then they said I was doing really well and they appreciated it. The next morning after a training session they call again. They could not hold it in. Not only was I the top sales rep in the region (205 reps), I had been #1 in the country for a couple weeks straight.

I down played it, just doing what I do. The next week, the owner calls to thank me for a job well done, he had no idea I hadn't worked all week.

I imagine I'll get a raise, but don't expect one. I couldn't do what I do without a good team, and having one makes it worthwhile for everyone.

ckelly78z 12-02-2020 03:24 AM

How are the people who are working from home going to fill out their yearly self evaluation ? For some reason, I am considered an "essential" employee (who has worked every day since June 1st) as a prototype tech, but somehow, all of my Engineer co-workers are at home petting their dogs all day in pajamas.

David 12-02-2020 05:20 AM

What really riles me up is there is probable someone (or multiple somebodies) up in the corporate offices drawing a salary bigger than mine who thinks their pushing out these evaluation policies have one of the most important jobs in the company. Meanwhile, I'm trying to keep my department in the black while my employees spend at least 20% of their time in meetings or in useless training.

And don't get me started about 60+ page safety procedures. What happened to KISS?

One of my favorite corporate stories about the GM CEO:

When Mary Barra stepped into the role of CHRO at General Motors back in 2009, one of the first things she set out to change was the giant automaker’s 10-page dress code policy. Intent on shaking up the notoriously stodgy culture at GM, which only recently had emerged from bankruptcy, Barra reduced the multi-page policy down to two words: “Dress appropriately.”

masraum 12-02-2020 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 11125588)
What really riles me up is there is probable someone (or multiple somebodies) up in the corporate offices drawing a salary bigger than mine who thinks their pushing out these evaluation policies have one of the most important jobs in the company. Meanwhile, I'm trying to keep my department in the black while my employees spend at least 20% of their time in meetings or in useless training.

Sounds like every corp environment ever.

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And don't get me started about 60+ page safety procedures. What happened to KISS?
HR and Lawyers

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One of my favorite corporate stories about the GM CEO:

When Mary Barra stepped into the role of CHRO at General Motors back in 2009, one of the first things she set out to change was the giant automaker’s 10-page dress code policy. Intent on shaking up the notoriously stodgy culture at GM, which only recently had emerged from bankruptcy, Barra reduced the multi-page policy down to two words: “Dress appropriately.”
unfortunately, "appropriately" is subjective to some clueless folks, and some of those clueless folks know how to work the system, so they'll go to HR for harrassment, and HR will have to look into things because that's what they do, then you'll have those few jackwads that are practically untouchable because of HR. Some manager will have as their priority, driving those folks out very carefully.

fastfredracing 12-02-2020 06:13 AM

Even though I have met all my targeted goals for the year, and have exceeded last years profits, that greedy bastage still thinks I could be pushing myself harder .
No raise for me, but I did get a good pat on back though .

legion 12-02-2020 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 11125588)
What really riles me up is there is probable someone (or multiple somebodies) up in the corporate offices drawing a salary bigger than mine who thinks their pushing out these evaluation policies have one of the most important jobs in the company. Meanwhile, I'm trying to keep my department in the black while my employees spend at least 20% of their time in meetings or in useless training.

Where I work, it was almost certainly written by a committee of HR folks. And they are all sure they are working on the most important thing the company does.

To further prove how necessary HR is, when we had a major reorganization a few years ago, HR was allowed to stop doing almost all HR work for a full year while they reorganized. Every other department had to do their job AND reorganize.

twobone 12-02-2020 06:19 AM

Yeah... I got a shot sandwich this year. Busted my ass. Got lots of accolades and recognition through out the year

Then when it really matters...and impacts my year end comp and annual increase, I was told that I was at the high end of the standard rating. That’s like a hand job without a finish.

“I’m not maintaining a high enough profile with senior management”. They have a quota for higher ratings.....blah blah blah

So why am I busting my ass doing actual work?

Retirement can’t come soon enough

red-beard 12-02-2020 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11124744)
I hate the self eval part of the year.

I worked someplace once where we were supposed to do a self eval grading ourselves on a scale of 1-5 (5 is good). I gave myself a couple of fives. I was told "you can't give yourself a 5. A is only warranted for someone who really goes above and beyond and does a lot of extra work that isn't asked of them, and pretty much no one does that."

I worked another place that also used a 1-5 scale, and before I worked there, managers had to set 20% as "5", 10% as "1" and the rest in the middle somewhere. (or maybe I've got the percentages backwards, I don't know for sure).

The "GE Way" used to be 10-70-20

10% High Performers
70% Meets Expectations
20% Least Effective Person

So if you have a group of 20, 4 will be LEP every year. Two LEPs in a row and you are gone. Oh, and "open slots" cannot be LEP...

The Problem is...any LEP on your record is BAD. I went from top tier to bottom tier in one year, because my manager liked to "spread it around". And LEPs do not get a raise.

I was the only person in the group that asked for more work. If it looked like my schedule was getting light, I'd ask for more. And I was LEP. He had to make stuff up and I had to have a correction plan for those issues. That was part of the reason I left GE that year...

1990C4S 12-02-2020 06:29 AM

I used to have close to 100 direct reports....it was not fun.

I will say this: the number of people who are completely unaware of their shortcomings and their place in the pecking order is astounding.

Porsche-O-Phile 12-02-2020 06:35 AM

Any notion that corporate “thinking” is rooted in logic or any kind of value in people is folly.

Rule #1:
ALL corporations care about is money, particularly the larger, publicly-traded sort. If you work for one, you are expendable chattel and an expense to be shed at first opportunity, NOT a resource.

Rule #2:
If you believe “our people are our most valuable resource”or similar feel-good stuff, see Rule #1.

Rule #3:
If you believe “safety first” has anything to do with the company valuing you, see Rule #1.

Rule #4:
If you think you’re indispensable, see Rule #1.

I’m really, really glad I no longer (and won’t) ever work for a huge public corporation ever again. Small business or self-employed only.

Sooner or later 12-02-2020 07:07 AM

I set up a folder for every employee at the beginning of the year and added new content as each completed (or failed) on an assigned project. Reviewed with all on a quarterly basis. Took me about 10 minutes per appraisal to finalize each one at the end of the year. There were no surprises at the end of the year.

We had a 20/60/20 rating system. Each job classification had a pay range that increased slightly each year. Once you topped out the raises were minimal even if you were the best in the world. Want more money? Get promoted into a new pay classification.

masraum 12-02-2020 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 11125666)
The "GE Way" used to be 10-70-20

10% High Performers
70% Meets Expectations
20% Least Effective Person

So if you have a group of 20, 4 will be LEP every year. Two LEPs in a row and you are gone. Oh, and "open slots" cannot be LEP...

The Problem is...any LEP on your record is BAD. I went from top tier to bottom tier in one year, because my manager liked to "spread it around". And LEPs do not get a raise.

I was the only person in the group that asked for more work. If it looked like my schedule was getting light, I'd ask for more. And I was LEP. He had to make stuff up and I had to have a correction plan for those issues. That was part of the reason I left GE that year...

I think that's right. I keep thinking that I'd heard that the 20% was the "needs improvement" group, but that seems really high. Since that's what you remember, I'm fairly certain that is what the case was at the place that I was talking about as well.

3rd_gear_Ted 12-02-2020 07:41 AM

My favorite review response was to tell my boss that I'm the only one in the group who uses a precise methodology for complex problem resolution with a proven track record.
Remind me again, they would say?
It's was my PIDOOMA moment, remember?
Oh yeah
What does that mean anyway?
"I Pulled It Directly Out Of My Ass"
(sly smile & a wink @ this point for effect)

If you can't dazzle with brilliance, baffle with B.S.
Someone said that once?

matthewb0051 12-02-2020 07:58 AM

The Army decided to take it one painful step further about 10 years ago (IIRC). Not only are you required to submit a support form of your accomplishments, you also have to complete a 360 review that you send to something like a half dozen people that evaluate you. It doesn't count and is for your own edification but nonsense nonetheless. You have to send to subordinates, peers, and senior.

I'm retired now and don't miss the entire knob slobing thing one bit.

The Army is far from a meritocracy.


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