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oldE 07-03-2021 01:30 AM

Second Contract For Lewis This Year
 
Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes have signed a new contract taking them to the end of 2023, just a few weeks short of Lewis' 39th birthday.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-hamilton-agrees-new-two-year-contract-with-mercedes.5XURLL7ShyqezkYgf9eztg.html

No drama and speculation like last winter.
Now: about Bottas......

Best
Les

herr_oberst 07-03-2021 07:01 AM

George!

astrochex 07-03-2021 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11380664)
George!

Happy for Williams.

Also well done by that Lando kid. Mercedes has an uphill battle tomorrow.

GH85Carrera 07-03-2021 02:06 PM

Wow, Mercedes not even in the top three, and no Ferrari in the top 10.

URY914 07-03-2021 04:33 PM

Lando and Daniel really driving the same car?

Noah930 07-03-2021 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 11381139)
Lando and Daniel really driving the same car?

LOL.

It actually surprised me a bit when Mazespin made a comment that his car is heavier than Schumacher Jr's. And then it was confirmed by Gunther. I always assumed that the tubs would be the same, but that maybe the aero bits might be different. I didn't think there might be two different specs of the chassis, and one driver might have a newer version and the other the older one.

Reg 07-03-2021 06:46 PM

I think Bottas and Hamilton switched chassis recently. Hamilton still proved to be quicker.

Hamilton is stating this weekend after resigning that we would like to keep Bottas as his teammate. Makes one believe he’d prefer to go with what he knows he can beat vs Russell.

herr_oberst 07-03-2021 07:56 PM

I wish he would resign. Unfortunately he re-signed for 2 more years.

ted 07-04-2021 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11381301)
I wish he would resign. Unfortunately he re-signed for 2 more years.

Looking forward to Max and Lando hammering Lewis for 2 more years. :D
And perhaps George hammering Lewis too when Bottas is replaced? :)

oldE 07-04-2021 07:41 AM

I loved Bottas' response when asked whether he minded if they announced Lewis's contract: "I don't give a ****"
Sergio had his elbows out a bit. LeClerc used up his tires trying to get by the faster car and almost made it.
Best
Les

matthewb0051 07-04-2021 12:49 PM

Dang, the stewards were horrible. So a driver tries a move that requires another to either allow or take a penalty. Lando was on the racing line. No way he could have left space for an outside move on a curve when the force naturally moves him to the outside.

But at least the stewards were consistent...just consistently wrong today. Checo took it in the shorts.

Once again, ESPN is a disappointment. They cut away before the last drop of champagne hit the ground. I believe there was 10 minutes remaining on the time allotment. But they ended to get to corn hole and hotdog eating contest. I need to buy F1 TV but need to figure out a way to hide it from the old lady...

Lando was such a crack up saying that the orange Max Army was there supporting McLaren. The Orange just played along and cheered him. Can't wait to see him win.

nota 07-04-2021 12:58 PM

max's guys and there are alot of them
will cheer anyone who takes points from ham even botas
if the car paint matches their shirts even better

astrochex 07-04-2021 01:11 PM

Well Norris did not punt Perez, unlike Perez who twice hit LeClerc. Perez is a punk, imho.

oldE 07-04-2021 01:19 PM

Checo spent more than a dozen laps stuck behind Riccardo, not making a move which allowed LeClerc to try and get by. It was only when the McLaren pitted giving the RedBull clean air was he able to open a gap. His car was that much faster than the Ferraris. He almost had built a 10 second gap by the checkered flag. He almost negated the penalties. If he had gotten a move on earlier maybe he wouldn't have got the penalties in the first place.

Best
Les

yellowperil 07-04-2021 02:02 PM

Lando, always smiling, always laughing, the most pleasant guy on the grid. Seems not to be full of it, like all the rest including George

Go Lando Go

Noah930 07-04-2021 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewb0051 (Post 11381767)

Lando was such a crack up saying that the orange Max Army was there supporting McLaren. The Orange just played along and cheered him. Can't wait to see him win.

There was a post-race interview earlier this season where the announcer (Brundle?) commented on his fans, and Lando deadpanned something to the effect, "My fans?! I didn't know I had any."

Zeke 07-04-2021 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewb0051 (Post 11381767)
Dang, the stewards were horrible. So a driver tries a move that requires another to either allow or take a penalty. Lando was on the racing line. No way he could have left space for an outside move on a curve when the force naturally moves him to the outside.

But at least the stewards were consistent...just consistently wrong today. Checo took it in the shorts.

Once again, ESPN is a disappointment. They cut away before the last drop of champagne hit the ground. I believe there was 10 minutes remaining on the time allotment. But they ended to get to corn hole and hotdog eating contest. I need to buy F1 TV but need to figure out a way to hide it from the old lady...

Lando was such a crack up saying that the orange Max Army was there supporting McLaren. The Orange just played along and cheered him. Can't wait to see him win.

I somewhat agree. When a driver presents himself on the outside there is really no reason for the driver on the racing line to need to overreact. Conversely, if the overtaking driver on the outside chops the other driver off, that's a penalty.

Each turn at every track is a different situation.

matthewb0051 07-04-2021 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 11381927)
I somewhat agree. When a driver presents himself on the outside there is really no reason for the driver on the racing line to need to overreact. Conversely, if the overtaking driver on the outside chops the other driver off, that's a penalty.

Each turn at every track is a different situation.

I think it was Paul DiResta saying about this incident and I'm paraphrasing: you have two drivers going for the same spot on track, one of them is going to have to back off. When no one backs off, what are you going to do? Penalize one? No way

astrochex 07-05-2021 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matthewb0051 (Post 11382008)
I think it was Paul DiResta saying about this incident and I'm paraphrasing: you have two drivers going for the same spot on track, one of them is going to have to back off. When no one backs off, what are you going to do? Penalize one? No way

See Alonso-Russell battle for how it should be done.

rusnak 07-05-2021 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 11381927)
I somewhat agree. When a driver presents himself on the outside there is really no reason for the driver on the racing line to need to overreact. Conversely, if the overtaking driver on the outside chops the other driver off, that's a penalty.

Each turn at every track is a different situation.

I watched the replay and I did not see either scenario in this case. Lando did not over react (watch his hands on the steering wheel), and Perez did not chop him off. Perez simply ran out of track. Poor overtaking move IMO.

And Seidl was so classy to just change the subject and point out instead how Lando drove an impressive race, rather than dwell on the penalty which so many find so disagreeable and unjust. Lando is the real deal. He is positively flying his season.

David 07-06-2021 04:50 AM

I don't get the penalties. The whole point of racing is to be on the ragged edge of crashing in every turn so how are you supposed to tighten your line to give room on the outside when someone makes a bonzi move on the outside?

GH85Carrera 07-06-2021 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 11383048)
I don't get the penalties. The whole point of racing is to be on the ragged edge of crashing in every turn so how are you supposed to tighten your line to give room on the outside when someone makes a bonzi move on the outside?

I agree. Those penalties should not have been assessed. It was not a driver closing the door on an apex, they were doing all they could to get around the corner and using the track width to keep the racing line.

They sure would not have penalized Hamilton in the same situation.

URY914 07-06-2021 05:10 AM

Don't they still use former drivers to rule on these things? Who made the call on this one?

matthewb0051 07-08-2021 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 11383066)
Don't they still use former drivers to rule on these things? Who made the call on this one?

Yes. Derrick Warwick was a steward last weekend

Zeke 07-08-2021 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11382474)
I watched the replay and I did not see either scenario in this case. Lando did not over react (watch his hands on the steering wheel), and Perez did not chop him off. Perez simply ran out of track. Poor overtaking move IMO.

And Seidl was so classy to just change the subject and point out instead how Lando drove an impressive race, rather than dwell on the penalty which so many find so disagreeable and unjust. Lando is the real deal. He is positively flying his season.

I was citing an example which you read as my opinion of the incident.

Typical of forums. I shouldn't fooking bother.

oldE 07-08-2021 12:43 PM

After watching a couple of explanations on the F1 and other sites, it seems to me the stewards position is: if you push another driver off the track onto a paved surface run off area, that is racing. If you force the other driver off onto gravel, that is dangerous. That seems consistent with other incidents with drivers like Lewis and Max.

Best
Les

Won 07-08-2021 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11383057)
I agree. Those penalties should not have been assessed. It was not a driver closing the door on an apex, they were doing all they could to get around the corner and using the track width to keep the racing line.

They sure would not have penalized Hamilton in the same situation.

I know there is a lot of Hamilton hate around here but a bit of objectivity would be nice.

2020 Austrian GP, lap 60, turn 4, HAM on the inside and ALB outside, they touch and Albon spins off into the gravel. Five second penalty for HAM.

If you go a little further back, 2019 Brazilian GP, lap 70, turn 10, HAM on the inside and ALB outside, they touch and Albon spins off into the grass. Five second penalty for HAM. So at least the stewards hate him consistently too :rolleyes:

RBR going really well this season, I'm sure thanks in no small part to Captain's good work.

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astrochex 07-08-2021 02:39 PM

Oh, that is who Captain is with. Fascinating.

Mercedes has not had competition as successful as Red Bull in many years.

Captain Ahab Jr 07-08-2021 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by astrochex (Post 11385852)
Oh, that is who Captain is with. Fascinating.

Mercedes has not had competition as successful as Red Bull in many years.

Not quite, I'm not working for RBR, just helping their war efforts ;)

Rtrorkt 07-08-2021 05:35 PM

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/57757338

Another legend gone

911pcars 07-08-2021 10:22 PM

Can I contribute some criticism at Indy car race announcements?

Except for qualifying, why won't they show lap times like any other car race? Instead, they show us time differential between two cars. It's okay to show relative speed between adjacent cars, but that's only a small picture, and gives me little information as to overall lap times, the relative speed between all cars. Thus, we have no idea of who's faster unless the announcer says something (which they manage to do on occasion). I think they do that to avoid embarrassing the end part of the field.

And why all the attention paid to Jimmy Johnson who, while he has an abundance of commercial air time selling stuff, also spends a lot of time arears, being past or immobile on the side of the track. Indy must have an abundance of NASCAR fans.

I may be in the minority, but I kinda like Brundle's F1 commentary. He's very good describing what goes on technically as well as from a driver's POV. The rest of Sky's announcers are good too, good enough w/o diving into geekdom. Their brogue accents don't both me too much.

The woman announcer they have for practice days is good. She sounds knowledgeable and asks the right questions. She could replace Diffy at Indy races. However, Diffy is a versatile announcer despite an annoying (to me) tone. He does his homework on track and field programs (knows the names and bg info). Maybe he has a good production staff feeding info to him.

MHO,
S

astrochex 07-09-2021 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911pcars (Post 11386194)
Can I contribute some criticism at Indy car race announcements?

Except for qualifying, why won't they show lap times like any other car race? Instead, they show us time differential between two cars. It's okay to show relative speed between adjacent cars, but that's only a small picture, and gives me little information as to overall lap times, the relative speed between all cars. Thus, we have no idea of who's faster unless the announcer says something (which they manage to do on occasion). I think they do that to avoid embarrassing the end part of the field.

And why all the attention paid to Jimmy Johnson who, while he has an abundance of commercial air time selling stuff, also spends a lot of time arears, being past or immobile on the side of the track. Indy must have an abundance of NASCAR fans.

I may be in the minority, but I kinda like Brundle's F1 commentary. He's very good describing what goes on technically as well as from a driver's POV. The rest of Sky's announcers are good too, good enough w/o diving into geekdom. Their brogue accents don't both me too much.

The woman announcer they have for practice days is good. She sounds knowledgeable and asks the right questions. She could replace Diffy at Indy races. However, Diffy is a versatile announcer despite an annoying (to me) tone. He does his homework on track and field programs (knows the names and bg info). Maybe he has a good production staff feeding info to him.

MHO,
S

Indycar is trying to bring in NASCAR fans with Johnson’s notoriety. I agree it is excessive and tiresome. Carvana brings in the bucks. Jimmy is not having an easy time of it. I wonder what the other drivers think. He may be a benefit to the series but a liability in the races.

Agreed too that Indycar can up its broadcast timing game. IMSA is worse though.

Zeke 07-10-2021 06:06 AM

With few notable exceptions, going back and forth between stock cars and open wheelers doesn't seem to work. Older days told a different story with Foyt, Gurney and Andretti. But not so much now. Thinking Patrick, Franchetti, Montoya, etc.

A contemporary exception is Tony Stewart but then again, that's a couple of decades past.

Conversely, F1 driver conquer Indy cars. Still Indy car drivers moving to F1 die on the vine. But even an F1 driver who then raced Indy and finally tried stock cars met is undoing.

So, bringing Johnson to Indy (contrived or voluntary, or both) is just not going to work, especially for a 40 year old. Given 3 or so months of constant training, I could probably be within a half second of Johnson with a top engineer. (Well, could of in my track days.)

matthewb0051 07-13-2021 11:07 AM

In case anyone is interested. This guy has some good vids.

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matthewb0051 07-14-2021 08:49 AM

If you haven't seen this yet. The diversity study and how F1 will proceed. Merit is no longer the standard. Well merit and a huge bank roll.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12354610/lewis-hamiltons-commission-publishes-findings-and-makes-recommendations-to-increase-motorsport-diversity

911pcars 07-14-2021 09:12 AM

[QUOTE=matthewb0051;11391516]If you haven't seen this yet. The diversity study and how F1 will proceed. Merit is no longer the standard. Well merit and a huge bank roll.

Your conclusion or assumption. No mention of merit as it is assumed; same with any high tech industry.

yellowperil 07-15-2021 07:43 AM

My podium prediction for Silverstone ….. Lando, Gasly and Perez

Ham will be 15 minutes late for formation grid while he looks for Roscoe who is thinking of running away from home.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1626363725.jpg

astrochex 07-15-2021 07:48 AM

First time the sprint / qualifying races will be employed.

New tire allocations and tire pressures too.

Reg 07-15-2021 03:32 PM

Well, I think it looks like ***** too. Why would they release a teaser of the ‘22 car? Is this a spec series?

I agree with Ricardo.

URY914 07-15-2021 04:45 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1626396339.jpg


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