I am another one in the racing incident camp. The FChat guys are rabid that it was Ham's fault, but it takes two to tangle, well it could be tango if there was no crash.

I liken this to hard racing, and nothing else. And that is the way it should be.

I wonder what nico rosberg thinks

I'd like to see video footage of Hamilton's crash position in the turn and other positions in the same turn. It sure looked to me that he was a few feet wide of his normal position and my argument would be that Max would expect him to be in the normal position.

I am going to agree with the commentators.

Two aggressive drivers.
Max was mildly pinching LH down, planning on LH backing off.
LH was mildly pushing Max wide, planning on Max backing off.

Neither backed off, with predictable results.

Was a racing incident. If not for luck, the results could have, just as easily, been LH looses his front wing and Max wins the race.

I truly admire LH's talent and know that you have to beat him to beat him. He gives very few races away for free.
That being said, I still cheer for whom ever beats LH

In most racing these events happen and are accepted on the last lap not the first lap.

Why are they allowed to work on the car during a red flag? especially if you caused it?

When you are in it to be top dog it is a psychic combat with anyone else that has that same goal.
You have to not just beat them, you have to break them.
They sent eachother messages, and it seems that Hamilton's message hit harder that day.

Exactly right. So far HAM has backed off to avoid crashes from Max's rather agressive moves...Sooner or letter he was gonna send a message. I put this one 70% Ham 30% Max but that's not the point at all, Hamilton was just finally sending a message and nto backing off... Still, maybe not the safest corner to do so, not a classy move and it could have ended badly (say a flip). Not a fan.

That's a very good point... Hamilton has such luck when he gets penalized.. Had he needed repairs and taken the penalty, that may have been a real penalty and a fairytale result for Leclerc. Especially as you said, if you caused it... Fair enough for the rest of the field but that was a little much to give HAM a free pass on repairs.

Interesting question.

I recall a couple of years ago there was a race that had a red flag and restart. I was sitting there thinking, great Hammy will have to stop after the restart for tires or whatever, so he is screwed and won't win.

Then the announcers explained how the teams could do various things to the cars during the red flag. My heart sank.

Why should a team/driver benefit from that situation whether they caused the red flag or not? In the absence of the red flag, they would have had to gone to the pits for fuel, tires, or new nose, or BJ and a steak.

At least in my way of thinking, this rule just allows the driver/team a huge advantage, like around 30 seconds on track. So if a competitor is having a good and clean race knowing they will gain position when the driver has to pit, they are the ones getting screwed. I think in that race the other drivers had pitted and were just waiting for Hammy to cycle through his pit stop.

I have similar feelings about pitting under Safety Car or VCS. Mainly for fairness.

Any videos supporting Lewis?
This guy seems to get it.
https://youtu.be/I2fn0D2wqko

The video shows a racing incident. I don't think you can get mpre from that... Probably more on Lewis than Max...

But what gets my goat is that the very guy that caused it gets to repair his car and go on to win. That's bull$hit. In that case give Verstappen a new car too ;-) (I know he was being checked out, I know there's no spare, but you know, fairness?) In essence there was no penalty at all... F1 gave the best driver/car combo left in the field a 10 seconds penalty, with his main opponent gone, it's no penalty at all. I'm sure he was laughing inside, he can pass the entire field in the space of a race. I'm sure RedBull received the message too. Were there any penalty points on Hamilton ?

Also it all felt super hypocritical from Hammy: "Oh,is Max OK?" (Gee wheez I sure hope so after I just punted him into the wall at 300 kph?). "i hope we can resume our fight with respect"... please, cinderella!

It's official, I really dislike the guy now... His fake innocence and "positive energy" are getting to me. Guess I'll be a Max fan then (that's new too).

Being the reining world champion, being behind in the points and on his home track certainly helps....

I have issues with this rule also, regardless if you caused the incident. It is not fair to the other teams. Can’t touch the cars in parc ferme, but red flag? Have at it lads.

Home track? I thought it was Silverstone and not Monaco

How about Vettel after the race, grabbing a garbage bag and helping some volunteers pick up garbage fans had left behind? I didn't use to like the guy, but am changing my mind.
Maybe because yesterday I rowed with the grand daughter to a beach about a quarter mile away and we picked up over a full bag of garbage.

Good on ya, Seb!
Best
Les

But weren't all the cars allowed to be worked on, and not just Ham's? Unfortunately, no one else's car needed to be worked on.

BBC ''reports'' ham upset over reactions called racist to his booting the Dutchman off the track

btw I favor a DQ plus a 3 race ban

This was just great racing. I miss the days of Senna and Prost, and Michael and lots of people. There was a fire and a willingness to put it on the line that has been missing during the Merc dominance. I'm not a fan of everything Lewis does, but at least he's proven he has the heart of a racer.

I follow English Premier League. There has been an uptick of allegations of racist and straight online abuse that seemed to gain more momentum in the last year. They are calling for everything from bans from social media, to fines, to actual imprisonment for offenders.

I looked at Hammy's Instagram account on Sunday but didn't see anything that I'd call racist. In fact even the stuff that could barely be considered just abuse was more like people saying it was his fault and his actions post race were disgraceful. Sure other stuff could have been removed but in all these situations there is rarely a recitation of what was actually said. And we are left to believe the assertion.

That being said, there is a history of on field racial taunts from the stands at football matches particularly when English teams play on the continent.

Hard to say whether this actually occurred or its just a card he likes to play. He is on a crusade to get more black people in motorsport and was the driver behind the pre race kneeling and t-shirt wearing.

Racing incident.

Both Max and Ham get crashy when battling for position. It could have been a much, much worse wreck. But racing is dangerous despite the current FIA trying to act like they should be raching around in plastic bubble wrapped bumper cars.

Maybe some sort of system to penalize by severity of incident? A 51g crash on lap 1 being penalized same as pitting in under closed pit lane? Makes no sense.

I haven't seen a move like that since the last time Lewis was behind in the points.

It is rather easy. Where you part of the red flag incident? Yes? No work on pit lane for you until after the race restarts

Spain when he took out Rossberg? Or Austria with Rossberg?

Anyway, news today regarding team members visiting Stewards. I thought Masi telling both Wolf and Horner to go visit was pretty stupid.

I think I'll try that next time I have a jury trial. Oops, I forgot to mention something during trial, guess I'll just go in to the jury room during deliberations and make my case.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1627059318.jpg

That is a great idea. The only hiccup is the stewards will need to make a decision much sooner.

Brazil when Hammy took out Albon. It took stewards until after the race to decide what everyone else, including the pro Hammy announcers, could decide after a couple of replays. That cost Sainz? an opportunity to actually be on the podium during the celebrations.

This one took an agonizing amount of time, IIRC they didn't make a decision until the red flag period was over and several laps into the restart.

Reasonable minds can differ as evidenced by the comments on here, but FFS they really need to make up their minds and get it on. Reminds me of college football (as I don't watch NFL or NBA) and how long it takes for the 'guys upstairs' to take a look at the play. All the while the announcers explain the standard of review and how it only takes the ball to 'break the plane'. Honestly, as Seb would say, get on with it.

I don't believe the punishment in this instance was enough but I'd be pretty upset if I were Mercedes and the punishment came down after a 45 minute red flag period and several more laps after the restart. No way the team can adjust properly with that amount of time wasted.

Bottas and Stroll .......... Not much to say other than heads up their a$$ . You are professionals that was just poor decision making .

I enjoyed that result.

Hungary F1
 

I'm guessing there were a few pelicans pulling for Vettel in that one.

Stewards handed out some penalties today. Much harsher than GB 2 weeks ago. GIO got 10 second stop go for spending in pit lane.

That start reminded me of USGP in 2005. Hammy really made a huge mistake on that. Then tells Bono to get the boys focused for remainder of race. Just curious, was that podium just theater by Hamilton? The othe 2 drivers drove equally as hard and had to run back to pits.

Always great to see a first time winner

Result in doubt now due to low fuel. That will be a shame if it goes down

Vettel DQ'd from second place. Terrible thing to do to Vettel. Not enough fuel in tank.

Surprised to find this thread on Page 5 after such a fun show... Love to see Alpine pull a rabbit out of the hat, and Alonso was epic..

But I can't get over how lucky Hamilton is - don't get me wrong he good too (great even)... But the way luck always swings his way is incredible. Engine trouble? That's always for his teammate. Him being last means nothing, you always know he's still in line for a win... 2 weeks ago he takes out his oppponent and gets very little damage and a free repair. This time his teammate takes out ALL his opponent(s) and the free repair is not sufficient for them (too much damage)... Then he completely muffs the restart tire swap and is dead last, and yet he's still on the podium ;-) But wait that's not all, they DQ #2 and now he's second ! It's uncanny. Yes, talent, best car, but also a lucky star the size of a whale d!#k !

Both MAx and Checo are now on engine#3 facing early penalties this season because a Mercedes car or another punted them. Maybe that rule also needs revisiting..

I wouldn't call it luck.
He a politikin' man.
Which is why he left Mclaren; they didn't let him play at politikin'.
Hamilton doesn't just compete on the track.

Racing is not just about being the best driver on the track.(it helps.)
It is also about navigating stewards, race officials, own team, other teams, etc.
Hamilton seems to play these off track activities better.

Some of it I admire, some of it I don't.

Two for two for Mercedes taking out their completion. this time they made sure to take all of the top points earners out. Bottas has secured his seat with Toto for next year. Maybe next race the Mercedes transporter can just run the Red Bulls over in the paddock.

So Vettel gets DQ'ed for not having enough fuel at the end but Bottas only gets a grid penalty for altering the points battle and manufacturers battle? Not to mention it was a rookie move? Not a good look for Mercedes.

So what would have happened if Ham came in for new tires at the restart like everyone else? Only the safety car on the grid.

if deliberate
bottas is a very skilled precise combo shot to use one mac to hit both red bulls
and gets a 5 grid spot dig for costing red bull 20+ points worth millions each

conflict
pit cars wait track cars passing pit out to start
as pit out light is triggered by last grid car pass

no rule for EVERYBODY in pits

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/218569-what-would-have-happened-if-nobody-was-on-the-grid-for-the-restart/

God, the comments on social media are hilarious. The funniest one: Hamilton, looking in his mirrors while lining up for the restart, "Did Valterri take out everyone?!"

Saw another SM post " next week Mercedes runs over the Red Bull pit crew because they are faster too"

Clarkson had great one too: Ah. Clever. Only Hamilton on the track. That way he can’t hit anybody.