This is the latest from Moderna

Shipping & Long-term Storage: For shipping and longer-term storage, Moderna expects that mRNA-1273 will be maintained at -20°C (-4°F), equal to most home or medical freezer temperatures, for up to 6 months. Using standard freezer temperatures of -20°C (range of -25° to -15°C or -13° to 5°F) is an easier and more established method of distribution and storage than deep freezing and most pharmaceutical distribution companies have the capability to store and ship products at -20°C (-4°F) worldwide.

Refrigeration Storage: After thawing, to facilitate storage at points of administration, Moderna expects that mRNA-1273 will remain stable at standard refrigerated conditions of 2° to 8°C (36° to 46°F) for up to 30 days within the 6-month shelf life. The stability at refrigerated conditions allows for storage at most pharmacies, hospitals, or physicians’ offices.

Room Temperature for Vaccination: Once the vaccine is removed from the refrigerator for administration, it can be kept at room temperature conditions for up to 12 hours.


Pfizer
Once a POU receives a thermal shipper with our vaccine, they have three options for storage:
- Ultra-low-temperature freezers, which are commercially available and can extend shelf life for up to six months.
- The Pfizer thermal shippers, in which doses will arrive, that can be used as temporary storage units by refilling with dry ice every five days for up to 30 days of storage.
- Refrigeration units that are commonly available in hospitals. The vaccine can be stored for five days at refrigerated 2-8°C conditions.
After storage for up to 30 days in the Pfizer thermal shipper, vaccination centers can transfer the vials to 2-8°C storage conditions for an additional five days, for a total of up to 35 days. Once thawed and stored under 2-8°C conditions, the vials cannot be re-frozen or stored under frozen conditions.

I'm thinking she said it had to be used in 10 hours once the first dose is drawn but I'm not 100% sure about that. That might be hospital policy too based on what you posted from Moderna.

When the rest of you received your shot, did they watch you for a little while after receiving it? I thought this step made add a degree of difficulty since they need a room large enough to watch a certain number of people while still maintaining social distancing guidelines.

Yea, they asked us to sit in a room for 15 minutes. One person roamed around asking if everyone was OK. No temperature checks or any testing. After 15 minutes we just got up and left. No reaction to the injecton at all for either my wife or myself.

The 15 minute wait after the shot is standard procedure.

I kinda figured. While talking to the person in the observation room, I'd extend both arms out and point my fingers forward. Then I'd say "nothing yet!". She asked what i was doing. I told her I was waiting for the icicles to start flying from my hands. Then I said "when they do I'm building my own ice city!". She got a good laugh out of that.

Here's a few pics of the vaccination center I was in charged of bringing on line. It went from shell space filled with furniture and left over odds and ends to a finished space in 7 days. We put in 10 stations and associated support areas and administered 7,320 doses in 8- 12 hour days. This required about 40 staff members at a time which we had to pull off their regular work assignments. We actually give out all we had and had to shut it down this week until we get resupplied.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611016464.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1611016559.jpg

Ours didn't have separate cubicles. About a dozen 6 ft tables down two walls with 2 stations per table. No que at the tables. Exactly the same type 15 minute wait area.

You scheduled a time in the 15 minute blocks that were available. 50 inoculations per block. When you drove up they asked your scheduled time and gave you a numbered colored card. You waited in the car until a parking lot attendent walked by holding up your color/number. You could walk to the entrance or catch a ride on the golf carts that were cruising the parking area. They crossed your name off a list and sent you through.

From the time I pulled in until the time I left was 45 minutes.

There are far better sources than Zero Credibility.

I believe there were 6. No mention of seriousness.

Meanwhile, 3500 a day are dying and probably double that being admitted into the hospital.

I'll add some fear mongering.

The first year Viagra was released there were 522 deaths associated with the drug. In addition to the 522 deaths there were 517 patients who experienced heart attack or anginal chest pain when using the drug.

We gobble up those "deadly" blue pills.

Sooner, I see where you are taking this, I did not put anything political out there, just a link to an article which states:

"On order of State epidemiologist Dr. Erica S. Pan and the California Department of Public Health, the vaccines should be shelved until a proper investigation can be conducted. The lot in question is Moderna Lot 041L20A."

If you do a little digging, there is a chit ton of articles coming out daily with people having problems globally with a vaccine that was rushed. mRNA tech is new and not fully tested. I am not a anti-vaxxer, but will not be signing up for a vaccine to protect me against something that is 99.7 % survivable. There is a high risk group of people that need to be concerned, but not healthy peeps or young people. For now, it is voluntary, you are free to choose and I am not going to bash someone that wants to take it.
When they said lock down or else we have a 12%, 7% or 5% mortality, it did not happen. We do not have anywhere near those numbers. Yep, I am a conservative, still free to make a decision for myself. I have no negative feelings for those that do not agree with me or do I have negative judgments of those that disagree, yet I will get negative comments because I do not agree with this vax yet. Time will tell. Not to get parfy, but if the gov starts making it mandatory, you have to wonder.

Yes, there are plenty of legitimate sources that can be used to find the same information that you found on Zero Credibility. Zero Credibility has a history of putting out bogus information.

Many, if not most, of the severe reactions are in people with a history of allergic reactions. Many of the deaths are extremely old and fragile people. We should look closely at both of those groups and determine who should get the shot on an individual basis.

People have severe reactions to peanuts, shell fish,, bee stings, latex, antibiotics, and a host of other everyday items.

We know there will be some deaths/severe reactions after vaccination. Some will be vaccine related. Some will not.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9160865/California-scientist-calls-pause-using-batch-Moderna-vaccines-allergic-reactions.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9159959/Norway-denies-direct-link-deaths-33-elderly-people-Covid-vaccine-received.html

https://ktla.com/news/california/after-allergic-reactions-at-1-clinic-california-pauses-use-of-more-than-330k-doses-of-moderna-covid-19-vaccine/


https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/six-died-in-pfizer-late-stage-covid-19-vaccine-trial/ar-BB1bNrEf?getstaticpage=true

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/01/06/death-florida-doctor-following-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-under-investigation-gregory-michael/6574414002/

https://vaccinedeaths.com/

More liberal for you now?

See, you went there. Please let me know when zero credibility puts out a false story, please post link. And, there rest of your post just shows how retarded you are. You just prove my point.

"Many, if not most, of the severe reactions are in people with a history of allergic reactions. Many of the deaths are extremely old and fragile people. We should look closely at both of those groups and determine who should get the shot on an individual basis." Maybe the same group of people that are susceptible to start with, so we give them a vax anyway just in case the virus does not get them.

And then this beauty: "We know there will be some deaths/severe reactions after vaccination. Some will be vaccine related. Some will not." Let's look at some facts

https://covidusa.net/

The death rate is 0.01657. If you are over 75 and in chitty health, might want to be real careful. I never put politics in this, you did sir. All I put out are facts. Show me factually that the death rate is different and I will acknowledge.

I did not get to where I am in this life by jumping on the 1st bus the herd is on. I think I will sit back and watch this one for a while. Before you get defensive again, not disagreeing with your right to choose, just respect mine.

I sent you a PM. They falsify information.

I did not receive a PM from you sir. Just put it out here in a public forum. Not sure whom you are referring to that falsify information.

Zero Credibility falsifies info. The head of them (I believe there were 3 using aliases) lost his brokerage license for insider trading.

I don't know where the pm went. It is political. There is plenty of other misinformation that comes out of them. Here is one.

Here is their post from Oct 21, 2019

https://www.facebook.com/ZeroHedge/posts/merkel-admits-german-multiculturalism-has-utterly-failed-httpswwwzerohedgecomgeo/2451775511566272/

Here is the statement from Oct 17, 2010 that they claim came "weeks after"...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/17/angela-merkel-german-multiculturalism-failed

This statement from Sept 16, 2019

https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/merkel-caused-massive-security-risk-with-300000-unidentified-migrants-601778

How can a statement from 2010 come "only weeks after" a 2019 statement?

And I did not deny the 6 (or so) allergic cases. I only suggested you use actual sources of legitimate information. Zero Credibility is not a source to be used for accurate information.

That article you linked has inaccurate information.

They claim "while a doctor in Miami actually died due to a reaction from the vaccine".

That may or not be correct. He did die 2 weeks after the vaccine. At the current time we do not know if he actually died from a reaction due to the vaccine. It is still being investigated. Hell, we may never know for sure. What we know at the current time is that "while a doctor in Miami actually died due to a reaction from the vaccine" is not an accurate statement.

Signed mom up for her shot next Monday.

From what I've read about it, there's a lower occurrence of severe adverse reactions than there is to the flu vaccine. I'll see if I can find what I read and post the link. The higher "adverse reaction" vs the flu can be attributed to people being observed for 15 minutes after receiving the vaccine. The problem here is, what constitutes and adverse reaction? Right after getting the shot, I had no muscle soreness at the injection site and no noticeable knot where I received the shot like I get with a flu vaccine. I did have some muscle twitching and about 2 hours after receiving, I had some soreness. Still have no knot at the injection site. The person in charge in the observation room said they have had no severe adverse reactions.

I think the problem here too is, if you do a little digging you can find whatever you want to find.