yep, and I don't understand why it's taken gubmints so long to take action...

Let me guess a 7% loss on every transaction?

^^^
Yep..pretty much.
Can't get the 'one arm bandit' sound for that.

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Crypto is like a fiat currency..so you burned a lot of time and energy to come up with one so have I on this Board.

Govts so far have not perceived it as a threat as it has been so minuscule ...once they do..ohh well.

The real problem is TRUST...how long has Crypto been around? Who says it has value? Without Internet/cloud or electricity...wat the fk is Crypto???

Gold and Silver on the other hand has 5000+ years of history attached to it...people trust Gold and Silver as having value...it is built into the DNA.. I can hold it in my hand, it has weight and people have no problem recognizing it. I will trade you one Gold coin for your sister..

Hello, Tabdullah Numero Uno!

My memory is not what I remember it to be but here goes anyway.

Wasn’t it you who argued a few years back that S & G did not have intrinsic value? I could be wrong, so no offense intended.

Also, after thinking about cryptocurrency, I was trying to figure out where my initial resistance to it being viable was. It is because of its intangibility. It simply doesn’t exist. So, IMO, it’s very difficult for it to somehow have value. I understand I use nonexistent money every day when I use my credit card, write a check or whatever. The card, nor the paper check, has any intrinsic value. What they represent, ie., the money in the accounts, really also doesn’t have any intrinsic value. They are merely pieces of paper. But even further, those pieces of paper (dollars) used to represent the value of gold. But now, since we are off the gold standard, even the gold doesn’t exist. A trillion dollars of newly printed dollars does not automatically and magically create the corresponding pounds or tons of gold.

So my problem with crypto is that it is not one layer removed from gold, as is paper money, which is physical. Nor is it two layers removed from gold, such as a credit card, which is less physical, but crypto is actually THREE layers removed from gold and doesn’t even exist at all!

My house could burn down but the gold within it would still exist. My bank could go broke, but my gold still exists. If the interwebs is kaput my gold still exists.

This reluctance on my part may not be rational, but so what.? Nobody said I was sane to begin with.

How do you spend gold/ noble metals when the majority of business is virtual/online.....

There is a gold-backed crypto. Just checked - dow jones futures as of 11:47am PST : -511. Maybe we settle the question as to the value of PM :smiley:

Sell it online

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But that's my point. Future of trade is not going to the provisions shop and weighing out gold dust for a warm jacket(albeit short of conplete melt down of society/ no electricity).

Everything is becoming electronic. That's why NFT's are going nuts.

is not a precise statement. It's in this imprecision of understanding that the crypto echo chamber cons you.

Can you email your house to somebody? Can you eat your app when hungry? Can you breathe electricity?



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One has to separate NFTs from the garbage that people are selling. NFTs are a great concept - perhaps the only one that I really like in crypto. NFTs are a digital "Certificate of Authenticity" akin to the ones that used to be delivered with collectible junk bought from the Franklin Mint. The NFT is an electronic version of that.

NFTs can be used to "certify" or "authenticate" anything, much like a county recorder records a deed for real estate, or the local DMV records and manages the title records for a car or truck. The nice thing is that the NFTs make this "ledger" a publicly accessible, distributed record that cannot be altered.

So NFTs are kindof interesting in this fashion, and one can think of a bunch of uses. But yodelheads trying to assign value to worthless stuff have jumped on the hype bandwagon, and started selling digital images and other nonsense stuff with NFT certificates attached. The actual thing their selling is virtually worthless, but they make it seem rare and authentic by attaching a Franklin Mint-style certificate of authenticity to it. It's important to distinguish the difference between the value in the object, and the certificate that accompanies it. Others may disagree with my opinion on this.

Here's a related funny incident where crypto-related people without too much common sense paid 2.66M euros for a copy of the Dune pitch book from a few decades ago, and with the purchase, they thought they owned the rights to reprint the book and also to produce a cartoon series based upon the drawings in the book. I.E. they bought a copy of a book, and thought they bought the intellectual property. A copy has also been circulating online for years. A whole bunch of people are making fun of this dude on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/thespicedao/status/1482404318347153413

-Wayne

That’s pretty funny.
The book was estimated at around $25,000 but he paid $2.6 million because he thought he also bought the intellectual property rights.
But wasn’t it an auction? So that means at least one other person was also bidding in the millions.
That doesn’t really make sense. At the same auction at the same time there are at least 2 people making a complete, inexplicable multimillion dollar mistake about an obvious intellectual property issue? Or some other explanation?

YES! That's what I thought too. In any auction that results in stupid money, there must be at least two people who think something is worth the final price. I *do* wonder what the other people were thinking. Hmmm...

-Wayne

For the movie version, I’d make it the worlds greatest shill :)

Not the smartest move.:eek:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/nfls-odell-beckham-jr-took-his-750-000-salary-in-bitcoin-how-much-did-it-end-up-costing-him-11643050374?siteid=yhoof2

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With a publicity stunt and some giveaways he can grow his social media following, then get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per sponsored social media post to promote his sponsors' products to the gullible. So turns out he's smarter than those of us who thought it wasn't smart.

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Intrinsic value.

I work in the mortgage industry.

The ability to be able to set up a smart contract using chosen open source and validated legal parameters, validated and locked currency, a confirmed mortgage provider, and a validated and locked deed of trust for a property that could then be executed all at once with greatly less need for escrow, title, county recording, mortgage buyers, securitization companies, etc., would be HUGE.

Not even close to there yet, but that's where this is going longer term.

And whether whatever is out there now gets standardized or not is also just a big moving target. Both fixed quantity and floating quantity currencies have their pros and cons.

Imagine selling your car/boat/etc. to someone in a single phone transaction that has verified funds for you, real id for ownership, changes the title over, gets them a car loan, pays the fees as needed, moves liability, all with no paperwork or trips to the bank or DMV.

Well maybe not single phone transation
but back when i lived in holland , it really was close to being that simple

get loan, get cash in your account
go to seller , take posession of keys and papers
call bank, initiate transfer of the funds with a speed wire transfer
Seller checks his account, sees the money minutes later
do the transfer of the title
call your insurer, and you are good to go

The key to all this was that number plates stay with the vehicle.. So no need to wait for plates to be made and sent to you..

So not a single call, but you could get it sorted in half an hour really.. And the porcess streamlined to more online since I lived there...

If that turns out true...it is very sad.

Now that we have NFTs, I might actually be willing to pay $233.95 for David Thorne's picture of a spider. But I'd want the original. The one with only 7 legs.

https://27bslash6.com/overdue.html

When I was in HS I used go panning for Gold on the E Fork of the San Gabrielle river.. The old guy who worked a the cheap gas station bought Gold coins whenever he had some extra money. So I learned a thing of two..he was happy as a pig in shyte when Nixon took the US off the Gold standard because Gold went from the Bretton Woods fixed in 44 at 35 an oz to 110.. what cause that move was De Gaulle demanding that the US repatriate it's Tourist $$ in Gold... at 35 oz where De Gaulle could turn it around in EU for 110. The US was using the spread in price to finance the SE Asian war games and the welfare state, and De Gaulle had enough of it.

It took a few years for the shyte to catch up with America in the form of INFLATION American prices had to catch up with the real world value of USD's in Gold.. There in lies the inflation of the mid 70's to early 80's. The Saudis realized that they made a bad deal by making all oil transactions to be settled in USD...so as to not be left holding the American bag they bumped the price of oil...so now Americans had to start paying the price for their life style at the pump.

In the mid 80's Americans started to leverage the Brand and it's assets...to pay for their life style...in 08 the Consumer who supported the Global economy with conspicious consumption went bust..the FED and US govt stepped in to continue the PARTAY by printing to support borrowing on the NATIONAL ASSETS and BRAND..all the other nations had to follow suit in order for an economic equilibrium to be maintained..till now the world is awash in debt and debased currencies.. Is there any real value left in the brand and or assets or has it all been leveraged to the hilt? The machinations of the FED n particular have been to make sure that the encumbrance is serviceable..One of their tools is printing money so that any unsold debt is purchased with newly printed money so that interest rates do not get out of hand. They call the QE. or monetary easing of interest rates. By the FED's own behavior they have as much as admitted that monetary policy is nearing it's limits..

Given this trajectory and or state of affairs what is the logical outcome of this behavior? Given that it is a Global state of affairs what will be the scope of the outcome?

Main difference is IF (big IF), all of the steps in this blockchain transaction are accurate, it's doesn't require trust relationships. The money is real, title is real, owner has rights to transfer, insurer pre setup and if any of those don't validate, the transaction doesn't happen. No doing a money transfer and then the person not signing paperwork for example.

On mortgages we do lots of those steps, with lots of places to prove each of those steps and multiple levels of insurance in case it goes sideways and they missed something. High friction.

Back to the Bitcoin topic specifically, it has its downsides, but at least it's fairly simple.

Fixed x # of bitcoins x however much people want to pay for them. Like gold in theory but easy to transport.

All sorts of other weird coins and tokens out there for governance credits on this network or that network, game currencies, etc. I see how a lot of the networks themselves seem useful, but I have no idea how people assign a value to a portion of voting rights or currency in a game they don't play other than sheer speculation, which is why they jump around like crazy all the time it seems.

LOL ^

Well, the nice thing about the dependence on computers -for things like bitcoin- is they never glitch. :cool:

You just described how I bought my last used car. I transferred money to selled via my phone bank app (account to account) and he then used his phone DMV app to transfer the car to me (plates stay on the car, only owner changes).

We did this on a weekend. No banks or trips to (Swedish version of) DMV were needed.
Owner change is instant, so is money transfer. Only physical exchange was signing the contract saying that I bought car with reg nr xxxx for xxxx price.

sure thing , but the entire thing only works if somebody is willing to crunch all them numbers and nobody does that for free.
So how would you run that show on the backend for their trouble once the mining becomes illegal everywhere because of the energy/CO2 polution?
Let the banks do it?? they will still want their share, where's the incentive if it's all up for grabs to anybody and they cannot control the price point? Nobody works for free
Let the governements do it?? hah to the m fuchs ing ha on the trust part.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1643563855.jpg

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Dunno about bitcoin, but sure seems the forums have crashed,,,

Is this we'll all ever get to talk about from now on:? 1/28!

Hmmm?

PP doing a complete reboot.
All will restart at zero posts. 😀

Server tech stuck in 20th century... is my guess.

There was some fiber optic cable outage the other day...

-Wayne

It's as if the same switch, namely the freeze the titles but still allow new posts button, is "bumped into" on the way home for some selected weekends.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1643813859.jpg

Not bitcoin, but just a currency started by Facebook. I bet lots of folks lost lost of money, and a select few made millions.