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Hydroxycholorquine... didn't know this was still a thing?
Doing my morning surf on MSN, I see this article
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/india-distributed-over-100-million-hcq-tablets-for-covid-19/ar-BB1dnvav?li=BBnba9O Don't know why it was there.. haven't searched for anything HCQ related in at least 6 months and have cleared cache and browser history several times. So naturally after reading it, I have to see what was going on. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.09.20116806v3.full.pdf "In the HCQ group 4 out of 54 participants were tested to be COVID19 positive, whereas, in the control group 20 out of 52 participants were found to be COVID19 positive. Distribution of HCQ takers and controls across outcome of COVID19 test in univariate analysis indicated the association of risk (Relative Risk = 0.193; 95% CI = 0.071-0.526; p = 0.001) of SARS-CoV-2 infection with lack of pre-exposure HCQ prophylaxis. In this study, it was seen that taking preexposure HCQ prophylaxis was associated with an 80.7% reduction in the risk of acquiring a SARS-CoV-2 infection." I had no idea there was anything like this going on. HCQ was pretty much written off back in July/August from what I can recall. Studies were showing that it had no benefit in treatment and one (I think) showed no benefit in prevention. The study linked above was extremely small. Interesting stuff.
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I still have a supply of HCQ.
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Are you trying to prevent or treat malaria?
Good for 2-3 years of shelf life, right? Science, always at work, hey?
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Hard to know where reality lies even still. Because this virus was so politicized by the left...and helped them win an election last Nov, many have no faith in the honesty or reliability of COVID related information. I heard yesterday, indirectly, that there have been 24 deaths attributed to the vaccine. Don’t know if true but I know that many of us completely distrust the media to report the real news. Edit: Uh oh...didn’t realize this wasn’t in PARF. My apologies for sharing my honest opinion as it may get this punted next door.
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What got me looking was that it was an article about using it as a preventative. Then I looked at India's infection and death numbers and the fact that they have about 1 billion more people than we do but have about 1/2 the cases and 1/3 the deaths we do.
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So this study is roughly 40/60 with a 60 percent chance of someone getting Covid-19 while talking this drug and it's Trump was right all over again? Comedy gold Jerry. That's gold, Jerry! Gold! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qm0KUPeD8 Meanwhile masks cut down your risks by even a greater amount, but bad, right? July 6, 2020 Your Mask Cuts Own Risk by 65 Percent https://www.ucdavis.edu/coronavirus/news/your-mask-cuts-own-risk-65-percent/ Quote:
Got it. How long does it take to sober up verses sober up while still drinking? Stop drinking, it's the only way to sober up.
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And abject poverty on a scale we could not imagine. Interesting.
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Of the 54 people taking Hcq as preventative, 4 were infected... of the 52 not taking, 20 were infected. That seems pretty big but it was a small study.
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Admittedly, I have not looked into how India handled the outbreak. I don't know if they had lockdowns or what actions they took. I do know from reading something about the HCQ use that testing and contact tracing have been a big part of their response.
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Their cases are lower because they test far less. The US at about 7x the India level per capita rate
Their deaths are far lower since they have far fewer hospital beds and most deaths don't get verified or reported. The US has 28 beds per 10,000, India has 5. Poor people die at home. I am sure there are other metrics that create the discrepancy. Probably number of doctors being another. |
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Yes, big impressive number, but does it really mean? It means exactly what I posted FYI, 40/60 approximately, and almost the same as social distancing plus wearing a mask. You like studies? This is a large one and over time, published just a few months ago. Published:November 05, 2020 Effect of pre-exposure use of hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19 mortality: a population-based cohort study in patients with rheumatoid arthritis or systemic lupus erythematosus using the OpenSAFELY platform https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30378-7/fulltext Quote:
Masks and social distancing still a conspiracy though, right?
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![]() And I mean all of it. That whole comment is so incredibly ridiculous it doesn't deserve a serious reply.
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20/52 is 38.5%
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Like I said, haven't really looked into what they're doing. They could be tossing folks in an incinerator for all I know. I don't know if they've done lockdowns. Or how drastic they've gotten with quarantine. I just found the use of Hcq as a preventative to be interesting. I knew that as treatment for those who already had COVID, it didn't show any real benefit.
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20-4 is 16 (16 less) 16/20 = .8 (x100) = 80% (80% less, or an 80% reduction) Lets make this simple. If you have 20 apples, and 16 are stolen, that's an 80% reduction in the amount of apples you have. You have 4 left, or 20% of the original. 4/20 = .2 (x100) = 20%
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So tell me why Oklahoma is unable to use or sell their stockpile if it is so great?
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https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authorization-chloroquine-and I don't know how many studies in the USA looked at Hcq for preventing infection.
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I asked you to show how the 80% improvement number was arrived at, and you failed.
Now about the numbers I posted: 38.5% = approx 40% 40 + 60 = 100 40/60 ratio You can round up further and just call it 50/50 for argument's sake. Take this malaria drug and have a 50/50 chance of contracting Covid-19 once exposed. Oh and have a 3-20% (approx) chance of some side affect such as migraine headaches and or skin rashes. 50/50 I have better odds at Russian Roulette, WTF.
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