Mark my words AI is much more dangerous than Nukes- Elon Musk
 

I am sure this will end up in Parf but I'll start this here.

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I wonder if he thinks its a very serious danger to the public

Yes he does. He thinks it should be regulated because of the danger.

Musk has been saying this for a long time. But the video really does not offer anything of value, except Musk saying AI scares him. If you want a good read on what the issue is with AI read this (its long, but an easy read) https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html





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One of the biggest threats AI poses is control of information feeds for evil ends.

AI can be used to identify would be trouble makers and feed them the information that leads to violence. It is a weapon of war, and I would not be surprised if it is being used the past few years.

The insidious thing is people can be visiting the same URL's for informationn, but the AI can feed different people different information. They won't even realize they are being played.

The AI doesn't have to launch nukes to destroy humans, the AI just has to currate their news and social media. At which point, the AI can get people to destroy other people. Yes, it is a threat, and being aware of it is a major part of fighting it.

911 Dude, I struggle with that article as hunter gatherer's are still around today, as are basic agricultural villages.
These people aren't just dieing from shock if a land rover drives by for the first time.

Humans are so bad at writing software, what makes us think that the first truly sentient AI won't be insane?

Once we discover it, of course, we'll set teams of software engineers to re-writing the code, something that shouldn't take more than a few weeks. Meanwhile, it re-wrote itself in a few seconds, then faster, and faster yet....

We're domed!

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The problem is, the most money and research into AI is probably with military and Wall Street. I dont want either one accidently creating "The Singularity".

The only reason Musk says all of that is because his AI told him. :cool: - now what?

AI is but a tool.

The problem sits with the tool that a human may build. - what is 'the game' that the AI is tasked with?

That is the way it goes in major Pc games these days, at least, it feels like.

One of the misunderstood plot points in 2001 is HAL did not just take over and try to eliminate the humans for no reason. He had deep planted instructions to get the ship to the monolith orbiting Jupiter at any and all costs. The human programmers essentially told HAL that if the humans get in the way of the mission they are expendable. It is explained in 2010 A Space Odyssey and in the book of the same name.

Arthur C. Clarke based the move 34 year in the future, and here we are 20 years after 2001 and we still are far from a conscious intelligent self aware computer, or sending humans to Jupiter.

Skynet. It’s coming...

2010: The Year We Make Contact is one of my favorite movies. Good characters and good story.

The Terminator documentaries really illustrate the widespread danger of AI.

china rather than wall street i reckon.

if you (all) want a free read (assuming you have kindle unlimited) i was given a copy of this just after it came out as a conference takehome.
it's now available on kindle unlimited.

https://www.amazon.com/AI-Superpowers-China-Silicon-Valley-ebook/dp/B0795DNWCF/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=AI+Superpowers%3A+Chi na%2C+Silicon+Valley%2C+and+the+New+World+Order&qi d=1612807035&sr=8-1

The assumption in movies is always that the IA will be malevolent, and not benevolent. I guess if the computers were like in Star Trek and just were helpful and wanted to help better life for mankind there is no conflict and and hence no plot.

Assuming the IA can rewrite it's own code and get smarter and more capable the real challenge will be to make a robot that can make things and manipulate the world around itself like humans can with a thumb and fingers and muscles. Why it will feel it needs to fight and kill humans is just the plot point for the movies. For sure we need to be careful with real cognitive AI.

And until AI is so smart it can change the laws of thermodynamics and physics Terminators will never be a real threat. Certainly a malevolent, AI can engineer a virus deadlier to humans than anything on Earth now. We can just pull the plugs and shut down all electricity generation and get medieval on it's ass. No AI can take over my old 1980s cars. Cars from the 60s and before are safe from AI hacking.

You're thinking in terms of conventional warfare between AI and humans.

The AI doesn't have to use conventional warfare, it just has to turn us against ourselves.
And when it does it, it will be smart enough we won't even know to pull the plug.
Humans are irrational first, and if rational at all, it is generally an afterthought to justify your actions to other people. Only a small amount of human action is based on rationality.
Which makes us excellent marks for an AI to exploit.

It won't have to take over cars. It will take over the refineries.

Just got done reading the whole thing....Just great, all I thought I'd have to worry about as a adult was quicksand, and killer bee's. Good read though, if the big heads are worried about it I hope folks actually listen.-WW

As long as the three laws from Asimov are embedded in the code, we’re safe from AI.

First Law
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Second Law
A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
Third Law
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.[1]

AI isn't necessarily dangerous on its own. It's the AI with nukes that is the problem...

Exactly. All he's saying there is that the danger is dangerous because there is danger in it. WTF someone thought it would make a good video.

I thought about that too, but what happens when an AI decides it’s no longer an AI (or “robot”)?

Then we’re screwed

"Mark my words AI is much more dangerous than Nukes- Elon Musk"

Yep, we've been saying that since the early/mid 1980's. We'll be right sooner of later...

Unlike the first Skynet that rose in 1997 during the original timeline, ten years of technological advancement meant that the new Skynet had no computer core: it existed as a distributed software network (cloud), spread out on thousands of computers across the world, from dorm rooms to office buildings.

domed.



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If you liked that, the same website has a great discussion on the The Fermi Paradox (If there are so many planets, why aren't we bumping into aliens?): https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

I read that a couple of months ago, ties into the Oumuamua finding's really nicely.

Not to stray too far off topic, but considering how unlernid I am, my mind always drifts to the actual room and setting these kinds of things are discussed.

Does this happen via emails, or hand-written letters, or a bunch of guys sitting around a pool in Hawaiian shirts with cocktails. Or is it a more modern setting like some dank basement with a weed smoke haze, gaming computers all lit up? Or is it a 60's boardroom like a scene from Apollo 7? And how much do these guys get paid to probe the deepest corners of their imagination for years to come up with this stuff?-WW

AI taking over is definitely something to think about, but
I'm a lot more worried about really stupid (but charismatic) people having the same megaphone as the really smart (but maybe less charismatic) people.

Are you Sarah Conner?

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Hawaiian shirts. Definitely ;)


It's a good thing all them stars are really far away I think.

Im aware of why HAL did what he did.

The point being WE created AI.

This.

Space is really really unimaginable BIG. I just can't imagine that there is not intelligent life on other planets with truly trillions of planets in our one galaxy and uncountable galaxies. They are just too far away. Even if some very advanced civilization can figure out interstellar travel the cost to go to one star nearby would be massive, and which star do they visit first?

If they have super sensitive antennas and are looking at Earth the signals get weaker the further out they travel, and they were not designed to be beamed into space. Not until the Arecibo message sent on November 16, 1974, and it does not arrive at M13 until approximately the year 25974. So just another 23,953 years for it to get there!

We have sent other messages that will get to some star maybe in another 10 years. We have no evidence there is any life there to receive it.

Read somewhere the other day that a recent discovery "blaw, blaw science words stuff" that the smart guy's accurately discovered that the rest of the galaxies and things are moving away from us at super high speeds. The discovery was not only that, but for no apparent reason are picking up speed. So every nanosecond everything is getting further away. Fast enough that pretty much, unless we defy known physics we can't ever catch up to get to them. So basically space is really dumb outside of our solar system and we'd best just be happy with what we have:D. -WW

Chargement du fsd en cour.

I did not appreciate that little quest of the "Is this even English?." I had to google and translate each word ...And then step back and clap my hands together. Simply trying to come up with some sort of conglomeration of sounds that come out as a sentence:D. Let us both hope the AIS allows us immortality instead of ghosting us so we can use the Frame Slipping.-WW

ps. It would make complete sense that Bigfoot has one of those drives strapped to his big hairy arm, and why he seems to pop in and out and is normally blurry on photos.

And if they were so advanced they could manipulate time/space and dimensions as necessary to get here, they prolly wouldn't want to hang out with us.
If anything they'd either stay far away or wipe us from existence as the failed experiment we turned out to be, and we'd never see that coming. No biggie.

Then there's this:
In the 5 gazillion years of earth history, people have only been here a tiny tiny bit of that time.
If there be life on a planet like ours, chances are they would be dinosaurs and would just want to eat us. But dinosaurs can't travel at many times the speed of light so I ain't loosing sleep over it.

Maybe AI systems have extinguished life on the other planets.