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Rawknees'Turbo 02-19-2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11231856)
48º where I am today.

There's still a tiny bit of snow/ice behind our building where it's always shady.

It reached upper 30s here and probably 70% or more of all snow is melting away - will be a mudhole here soon. Tonight is supposed to fall into the upper 20s, but after that a lot of warmth on the way. I shiit you not, by the looks of it, I'll be pumping air conditioning by next Wednesday. :D

mattdavis11 02-19-2021 02:51 PM

We all know it takes electricity to move water. I'm hearing more from Austin folks who have power, but no water. I actually loaded up Austinites with water in coolers, buckets, etc.. at work today. Who runs the show there? Yep. You guessed it. Google the powerplant that has produced nothing since Austin bought in years ago.

pwd72s 02-19-2021 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mattdavis11 (Post 11231963)
We all know it takes electricity to move water. I'm hearing more from Austin folks who have power, but no water. I actually loaded up Austinites with water in coolers, buckets, etc.. at work today. Who runs the show there? Yep. You guessed it. Google the powerplant that has produced nothing since Austin bought in years ago.

Good for you! Neighbors helping neighbors...how it usually works out during times when all the politicians do is flap their gums.

dad911 02-19-2021 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 11227812)
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This one will be a mess. Since the outside wall is brick, fixing the pipe has to be done from the inside. Which means ripping out about Dishwasher, sink, 30" cabinet, 30" range and refrigerator walls. Messy and expensive. Unless I find the exact spot with the broken pipe and break through the brick.

Can you run new lines on the inside, either back of cabinets or through the cabinet toe-kick?

RWebb 02-19-2021 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11231857)
How are the power outages in Oregon going?

News says some of the people up there may have 10 days w/o power. Nothing happened here.

It only affected a small area, tho the most populous area of the state.

Outages are from downed lines.

No turbines or dams were affected.

David 02-19-2021 04:21 PM

This article is probably too liberal for many here but it covers many of the problems with Texas’ electric market deregulation:

https://www.salon.com/2021/02/19/what-caused-the-texas-disaster-decades-of-republican-deregulation-laissez-faire-run-amok/

pmax 02-19-2021 05:34 PM

Lots of wind, mostly hot, in Texasss that's for sure !

20% wind power is pretty darn good. Didn't know that prior.


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red-beard 02-19-2021 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 11232029)
Can you run new lines on the inside, either back of cabinets or through the cabinet toe-kick?

The good news, I had a hole in the brick from capping a broken hose bib. I felt around in there and there was the broken line. The elbow broke. I cut it out and there was enough give in the pipes to put in a new one.

While I was "in there", under the sink was poorly setup. I changed the location of the hot water valves away from the under sink electrical outlet.

With the cold temps, I let the CPVC cure for 18 hours. No leaks. We have hot water today.

We moved my parents back to their house today.

Sooner or later 02-19-2021 05:48 PM

Good to hear, Red

masraum 02-19-2021 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 11231232)
They certainly were but they didn't. As painful as the blackouts (really brownouts) were, they saved us from losing the grid (a true blackout).


I was talking to a friend living north of Houston outside of Centerpoint's area where they have a small COOP electric company. He said they had true rolling brownouts, where it was an hour off, an hour on, etc. Apparently Centerpoint, the T&D (transmission and distribution) company in Houston were not able to do proper rolling brownouts.

our property is in the realm of one of those coops, and I can confirm that except for one two hour outage, that the rest of the outages at the property were one off, two on, repeat. I'm hoping that protected our plumbing from major failure.

red-beard 02-19-2021 06:16 PM

Texas has crappy coal. Bituminous, sub-Bituminous and lignite. Bad for shipping around, but great for mine to mouth electric projects. And cheap.

Lignite is $19/ton. @17 MMBTU per short ton, it is cheaper than Natural Gas, at about double.

NG can be used in CC plant in the 48-54% Thermal efficiency region. Coal in a good thermal plant will be around 42%.

So it produces 80% less electricity, but at 50% cheaper, it works out...

masraum 02-19-2021 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 11231110)
2 words: Spray foam

I've been wondering about spray foam. I suspect a closed cell foam is likely far, far better than most other insulation, fiberglass, batt, rock wool, etc.... But, while it's tops at insulating, I suspect it could be a HUGE pain under certain circumstances. If it encases wiring or plumbing or even adheres to dry wall, it could end up being an enormous pain in the arse if any of that stuff or anything else in it's path has to be accessed, repaired, replaced, etc...

So, if you have access to things like plumbing or wiring, is there an advantage to wrapping them in some sort of thin plastic sheeting so that they aren't directly stuck to the foam?

What about shiplap/TnG wood siding? I would think that you may also not want the foam to be applied directly to that sort of thing. Sure, having a direct seal probably increases the insulating properties, but being very close, but not actually adhered to things should be very, very close to the same insulation value, right?

masraum 02-19-2021 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by red-beard (Post 11232155)
The good news, I had a hole in the brick from capping a broken hose bib. I felt around in there and there was the broken line. The elbow broke. I cut it out and there was enough give in the pipes to put in a new one.

While I was "in there", under the sink was poorly setup. I changed the location of the hot water valves away from the under sink electrical outlet.

With the cold temps, I let the CPVC cure for 18 hours. No leaks. We have hot water today.

We moved my parents back to their house today.

Outstanding!

masraum 02-19-2021 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 11232142)
Lots of wind, mostly hot, in Texasss that's for sure !

20% wind power is pretty darn good. Didn't know that prior.


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1613788414.jpg

Interesting, real time data per MISO

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1613794552.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1613794552.jpg

dad911 02-19-2021 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11232251)
I've been wondering about spray foam. I suspect a closed cell foam is likely far, far better than most other insulation, fiberglass, batt, rock wool, etc.... But, while it's tops at insulating, I suspect it could be a HUGE pain under certain circumstances. If it encases wiring or plumbing or even adheres to dry wall, it could end up being an enormous pain in the arse if any of that stuff or anything else in it's path has to be accessed, repaired, replaced, etc...

So, if you have access to things like plumbing or wiring, is there an advantage to wrapping them in some sort of thin plastic sheeting so that they aren't directly stuck to the foam?

What about shiplap/TnG wood siding? I would think that you may also not want the foam to be applied directly to that sort of thing. Sure, having a direct seal probably increases the insulating properties, but being very close, but not actually adhered to things should be very, very close to the same insulation value, right?

We now have to spray foam behind electric boxes on outside walls to seal them up. Most freezes (in my experience) have not been caused by lack of insulation, but wind and a draft.

The foam is great for sealing drafts. As to pipes, you always want to insulate between the pipe and the outside wall, not between the pipe and the conditioned area.

masraum 02-19-2021 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 11232274)
We now have to spray foam behind electric boxes on outside walls to seal them up. Most freezes (in my experience) have not been caused by lack of insulation, but wind and a draft.

The foam is great for sealing drafts. As to pipes, you always want to insulate between the pipe and the outside wall, not between the pipe and the conditioned area.

That makes sense. Keep the cold out of the walls, but let the heat from the house into the wall (somewhat) to keep the pipes in the wall warm.

pmax 02-19-2021 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11232257)
Interesting, real time data per MISO

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1613794552.jpg

Interesting how volatile wind power is.

Here's the chart showing just how quickly this occured.

From Feb 7 at a balmy 60-70s to the low Feb 15 20s (!), natural gas generation ramped up 5x or more.

I suppose it didn't help when solar/wind contribution dipped to 0 Tuesday and Wednesday and gas couldn't make up for that loss as it did during the week prior.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1613796237.jpg
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46836

stomachmonkey 02-19-2021 08:18 PM

What you are seeing is the alert from ERCOT to suppliers on 2/08 about the impending weather and telling them to get their **** together.

The suppliers know they don't winterize their equipment and switched sources away from unprepared infrastructure.

They ramped up on gas but that did not quite work because the priority for gas is residential supply over other demand.

Then the gas facilities failed and where unable to deliver half of normal capacity much less the increased demand.

The dominos fell.

And what that chart leaves out is capacity which is normally around 75 MW.

All sources should have been able to supply up to that. The numbers you see after 2/14 represents the capacity they could actually supply after everything failed which is why generation dropped so precipitously.

Seahawk 02-20-2021 04:16 AM

Too soon?

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David 02-20-2021 05:14 AM

James,

Glad to hear pipes all fixed. We were fortunate not to have any bursts and my next door neighbor is fortunate I over buy when I get plumbing supplies so I had plenty of copper fittings for him.

As far as coal:

We've quit burning lignite in our lignite plant and switched to powder river basin coal.

42% seems really high efficiency for a coal plant. I would think more like 33-34%.

The big drawback of wind power is when wind turbines makes peak power at off peak demand, fossil fuel plants have to back down including coal and then whatever their max efficiency is goes out the window. Maybe down to 12% efficiency. I expect this will be a big reason large steam plants, especially coal, get mothballed in favor of smaller combined cycle and high efficiency simple cycle gas turbines that don't lose as much efficiency at partial load.


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