Pfizer revises storage temps.

[cabmandone]

Kind of interesting and should be helpful going forward.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/pfizer-says-vaccine-can-be-stored-in-normal-freezers/ar-BB1dPAfY?li=BBnb7Kz

Pfizer submitted data to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) showing the vaccine is stable when stored between minus 13 degrees and 5 degrees Fahrenheit, temperatures commonly found in pharmaceutical freezers and refrigerators.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Kind of interesting and should be helpful going forward.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/pfizer-says-vaccine-can-be-stored-in-normal-freezers/ar-BB1dPAfY?li=BBnb7Kz

Pfizer submitted data to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) showing the vaccine is stable when stored between minus 13 degrees and 5 degrees Fahrenheit, temperatures commonly found in pharmaceutical freezers and refrigerators.

I think that is the same as the Moderna vaccine.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

I think that is the same as the Moderna vaccine.

That's what I was thinking too. I couldn't figure out why when the two were supposed to be very similar, one needed to be stored at much lower temps.

[71T Targa]

I don't understand why they can't warm it up a bit before giving the injection...
Maybe then it wouldn't feel like you've been hit with a baseball bat for two days.

[unclebilly]

How much has been thrown out that may have been ‘ok’ due to improper storage?

[pavulon]

Not to derail but received the second Pfizer dose about an hour ago. The RN administering it said one dose is being quoted as high 80's% effective in preventing severe disease now and the inside track is that one dose will soon be the recommendation.

[PorscheGAL]

Originally Posted by pavulon

Not to derail but received the second Pfizer dose about an hour ago. The RN administering it said one dose is being quoted as high 80's% effective in preventing severe disease now and the inside track is that one dose will soon be the recommendation.

Wish I had known that a month ago

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by PorscheGAL

Wish I had known that a month ago

Right. I got that news about 15 seconds before the injection but work in a designated COVID hospital so...too late now.

[Chocaholic]

Sure would feel better if all the R&D had resulted in stable information. How is the public supposed to have confidence in a rushed vaccine worth billions, if they keep changing how it is stored and administered. Two very critical components.

Sorry for being a skeptic but there has been NOTHING reliable about the experts and this virus...in any regard.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Sure would feel better if all the R&D had resulted in stable information. How is the public supposed to have confidence in a rushed vaccine worth billions, if they keep changing how it is stored and administered. Two very critical components.

Sorry for being a skeptic but there has been NOTHING reliable about the experts and this virus...in any regard.

Those were the temps they used in their trials. Moderna, with a similar process, had lower temps so they went back and reviewed their process. It would have been asinine to do otherwise.

They are about to drop production time from 110 days to 60. It also appears they are about to drop a bombshell on single doses to those that have already recovered from a case.

All of the above are positive developments, not negatives.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Sure would feel better if all the R&D had resulted in stable information. How is the public supposed to have confidence in a rushed vaccine worth billions, if they keep changing how it is stored and administered. Two very critical components.

Sorry for being a skeptic but there has been NOTHING reliable about the experts and this virus...in any regard.

I know what you mean. It's hard when there's one dose vs two or crazy low storage temps vs more "normal" storage temps. I think people need to understand that things are evolving. It was approved based on initial information. As things progressed, they found that it's still viable at lower temps. I think the one dose vs two argument is just people looking to increase available vaccines. I saw something last month about one of the two potentially asking the FDA to revise to one dose. This might be a case of too much information being available to the public.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

Those were the temps they used in their trials. Moderna, with a similar process, had lower temps so they went back and reviewed their process. It would have been asinine to do otherwise.

They are about to drop production time from 110 days to 60. It also appears they are about to drop a bombshell on single doses to those that have already recovered from a case.

All of the above are positive developments, not negatives.

They should be reviewing the dosage for people who have already been infected. Those people already have the "first dose" so to speak. Several people I've talked to have had Covid and received the vaccine. Each said the first dose hit them like a train. I wish I knew the people better because I'd ask them what their reaction to the second dose was.

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Sure would feel better if all the R&D had resulted in stable information. How is the public supposed to have confidence in a rushed vaccine worth billions, if they keep changing how it is stored and administered. Two very critical components.

Sorry for being a skeptic but there has been NOTHING reliable about the experts and this virus...in any regard.

Stop being a putz - this isn’t 1960 anymore. The polio vaccine took over 15 years to develop from 1935 to 1950.

If we can’t develop a vaccine in the course of a year 70 years later, there is something wrong. Obviously, (and is the case with any R&D project or new technology), you start off cautious with the implementation and gradually dial back the precautions as new information from the field becomes available and as more testing is conducted.

Nobody in their right mind would start off by pushing the limits in terms of dosage and storage precautions, this would benefit nobody.

Get your head out of your ass. If you aren’t comfortable taking the vaccine, don’t take it. For gods sake, quit spreading misinformation and I’ll formed opinions based on **** you’ve either read on social media or heard from a bunch of washed up old men in coffee shops.

Sorry to come off strong here but I’m tired of the same old rhetoric from a certain demographic along the lines of, ‘how can we trust a vaccine that was developed so quickly...’ The answer is that you can choose to live in this decade and recognize the advantages of technology and the benefits of teams working around the world TOGETHER on this as opposed to the 1940’s Polio vaccine development approach consisting of a few people working in separate facilities with little to no information sharing from lab to lab. The alternative is to live in the past and die in it too.

[Chocaholic]

Control your anger Billy. I spread misinformation? What misinformation did I spread? Are we to a point where questions may no longer be asked? Where blind faith must displace critical thinking? Will await an apology for your childish rant.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by cabmando

I know what you mean. It's hard when there's one dose vs two or crazy low storage temps vs more "normal" storage temps. I think people need to understand that things are evolving. It was approved based on initial information. As things progressed, they found that it's still viable at lower temps. I think the one dose vs two argument is just people looking to increase available vaccines. I saw something last month about one of the two potentially asking the FDA to revise to one dose. This might be a case of too much information being available to the public.

We also need to consider that there is a very lucrative business side to this. J&J is pending approval for the first single dose vaccine. Is it pure coincidence that Pfizer is changing theirs just prior to that release? Are we to assume that big pharma is above making money?

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

We also need to consider that there is a very lucrative business side to this. J&J is pending approval for the first single dose vaccine. Is it pure coincidence that Pfizer is changing theirs just prior to that release? Are we to assume that big pharma is above making money?

Pfizer probably isn't too worried about a totally different type of vaccine. They are more likely testing against the Moderna vaccine which is the same type but doesn't require the same ultra low storage temp as the Pfizer vaccine.

Make no mistake, they're making money. But if they're saving lives, they damn well should make a lot of money. I hope they can not only safely increase storage temps, but make a sh.t ton of money making a vaccine that ultimately gets our economy rolling again.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

Stop being a putz - this isn’t 1960 anymore. The polio vaccine took over 15 years to develop from 1935 to 1950.

If we can’t develop a vaccine in the course of a year 70 years later, there is something wrong. Obviously, (and is the case with any R&D project or new technology), you start off cautious with the implementation and gradually dial back the precautions as new information from the field becomes available and as more testing is conducted.

Nobody in their right mind would start off by pushing the limits in terms of dosage and storage precautions, this would benefit nobody.

Get your head out of your ass. If you aren’t comfortable taking the vaccine, don’t take it. For gods sake, quit spreading misinformation and I’ll formed opinions based on **** you’ve either read on social media or heard from a bunch of washed up old men in coffee shops.

Sorry to come off strong here but I’m tired of the same old rhetoric from a certain demographic along the lines of, ‘how can we trust a vaccine that was developed so quickly...’ The answer is that you can choose to live in this decade and recognize the advantages of technology and the benefits of teams working around the world TOGETHER on this as opposed to the 1940’s Polio vaccine development approach consisting of a few people working in separate facilities with little to no information sharing from lab to lab. The alternative is to live in the past and die in it too.

You gotta take it down a notch or 10 man. I can understand the concerns by some about the vaccine. Wanting to KNOW that it's safe is completely understandable. Let's not forget, this is being administered under emergency use authorization. This isn't a vaccine that has been studied over a longer period to be safe and effective.

[Ziggythecat]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Sure would feel better if all the R&D had resulted in stable information. How is the public supposed to have confidence in a rushed vaccine worth billions, if they keep changing how it is stored and administered. Two very critical components.

Sorry for being a skeptic but there has been NOTHING reliable about the experts and this virus...in any regard.

Calm down
We have Science back in charge

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by cabmando

You gotta take it down a notch or 10 man. I can understand the concerns by some about the vaccine. Wanting to KNOW that it's safe is completely understandable. Let's not forget, this is being administered under emergency use authorization. This isn't a vaccine that has been studied over a longer period to be safe and effective.

Unless you're DOING the research, you're taking someone else's word for safety on everything. If people don't want it, fine, don't take it. But don't burn resources if you get sick and you're not gonna do your part. Stay home and take your lumps win or lose.
Liberty and responsibility are two sides of the same coin.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by pavulon

Unless you're DOING the research, you're taking someone else's word for safety on everything. If people don't want it, fine, don't take it. But don't burn resources if you get sick and you're not gonna do your part. Stay home and take your lumps win or lose.
Liberty and responsibility are two sides of the same coin.

So, there are two vaccines released and more to come. Is it not reasonable to research the options before deciding which one to choose for your family? Are you suggesting just take whatever comes first and simply have faith that this urgently released option is automatically the best?

Meanwhile...the case count and death count continue to fall.