The road where Tiger crashed is defective! (my opinion - you be the judge)...

[TimBer]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Heard this morning they are looking into the various driver assist systems like lane departure.

It drove ITSELF into the swamp!

[RWebb]

Did anybody send an Email to Cal DOT or whoever owns this road?

[Heel n Toe]

Saw on the news in the last day or two that the local sheriff has issued a warrant for the Genesis' black box.

EDIT: Just found this: Deputies will review data from the black box to “see if they can find out what was the performance of the vehicle, what was happening at the time of impact,” said Villanueva, who previously faced criticism for almost immediately calling the crash “purely an accident.”

During a live social media event on Wednesday the sheriff said the new data could provide more information on the cause of the accident.

“And that’s all it is, and we’ll leave it at that,” he said.

California law allows law enforcement to seek search warrants for data recorders that were involved in motor vehicle crashes that result in death or serious bodily injury. Law enforcement must show that the recorders could have evidence of a felony or misdemeanor in the crash, and detectives must limit their review of the data to information directly related to the offense.

More: https://www.golfchannel.com/news/sheriffs-department-executes-search-warrant-black-box-tigers-suv

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Yes, had the Pfiser yesterday, no reaction to it other than a very mildy bruised arm

I'm in group 6, another 4 groups after me, UK seem to be doing a very good job rolling it out

Had a phone call the afternoon before, walked in to my local vaccination centre, filled out a form and 3 min later all done, given a small card showing proof I've had it and they have people hang on for 15 mins to check no has any new heads or limbs sprouting because of an adverse reaction

[Steve Carlton]

I think you're on the wrong boat, Captain.

[gregpark]

I've been worried from the beginning that the vaccine might have cognitive side effects

[911 Rod]

Originally Posted by gregpark

I've been worried from the beginning that the vaccine might have cognitive side effects

That's not the vaccine. lol

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I think you're on the wrong boat, Captain.

OK, that genuinely made me LOL.

[hcoles]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

Saw on the news in the last day or two that the local sheriff has issued a warrant for the Genesis' black box.

EDIT: Just found this: Deputies will review data from the black box to “see if they can find out what was the performance of the vehicle, what was happening at the time of impact,” said Villanueva, who previously faced criticism for almost immediately calling the crash “purely an accident.”

During a live social media event on Wednesday the sheriff said the new data could provide more information on the cause of the accident.

“And that’s all it is, and we’ll leave it at that,” he said.

California law allows law enforcement to seek search warrants for data recorders that were involved in motor vehicle crashes that result in death or serious bodily injury. Law enforcement must show that the recorders could have evidence of a felony or misdemeanor in the crash, and detectives must limit their review of the data to information directly related to the offense.

More: https://www.golfchannel.com/news/sheriffs-department-executes-search-warrant-black-box-tigers-suv

The Sheriff seems to be going after something. No one hurt. Doesn't felony or misdemeanor cover a wide range if not the whole range?

[daepp]

When I was at MIT our incoming class had to read the following book:


https://www.amazon.com/Design-Everyday-Things-Revised-Expanded/dp/0465050654

This book taught us to be intelligent designers and to make sure that we took responsibility not to incorporate ridiculous or faulty elements in our design. This seems like a clear example of that! *grrrr*

-Wayne[/QUOTE]

Your comment reminded me of design and Norman doors:

[p911dad]

No MIT grads in your average state DOT design units! Back when this road was laid out it was likely done with Dietzgen drawing tools and big drawing tilt tables, with guidance from big, fat design manuals from long ago.

[sammyg2]

EDIT: he statement I made about Mel Blanc losing control of his car were wrong, please disregard.

[Sooner or later]

Mel was in his lane. The other driver crossed the centerline prior to hitting Mel. Autobiography on Motor Trend TV goes into the wreck in the Dead Man's Curve episode. They talked to the driver of the other car. If I remember correctly he claimed steering mechanical problems

[sammyg2]

I saw that autobiography show too, one of the worst shows on TV IMO.
They were really pushing a conspiracy theory that the road was designed poorly on purpose by a serial killer who wanted to murder a lot of people using a road as a murder weapon.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It also contradicts what I had previously read, that Mel lost control of his Aston martin at speed and crossed into the next lane. A story he later changed according to the article.

Maybe I'll do some more research on it and if it turns out I'm wrong and that ridiculous excuse for a car show was correct about something for a change, I will post it here.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

I saw that autobiography show too, one of the worst shows on TV IMO.
They were really pushing a conspiracy theory that the road was designed poorly on purpose by a serial killer who wanted to murder a lot of people using a road as a murder weapon.
Dumbest thing I've ever heard.

It also contradicts what I had previously read, that Mel lost control of his Aston martin at speed and crossed into the next lane. A story he later changed according to the article.

Maybe I'll do some more research on it and if it turns out I'm wrong and that ridiculous excuse for a car show was correct about something for a change, I will post it here.

Yeah, a crazed maniac trying to kill people designed the road.

[sammyg2]

I found the following which says the 18 year old crossed over into Blanc's lane.
It appears I was misinformed and was wrong about it and will retract inaccuracies in my previous post.

Mel Blanc, 52, Critically Hurt In Head-on Crash
WEST LOS ANGELES, Jan. 25 (UPI)—Comedian Mel Blanc, creator of the “what’s up, doc?” voice of Bugs Bunny and many other cartoon characters, was in critical condition today at UCLA Medical Center from injuries received a head-on car crash on Sunset Boulevard.
Blanc, 52, a frequent guest star on the Jack Benny show and called the “man of a thousand voices” because of his extraordinary mimic talents, sustained compound fractures of both legs, a broken left arm, a head injury and internal injuries.
His wife, Estelle, and their son Noel, 22, arrived at the hospital Tuesday night after the crash and tearfully listened to Dr. Tracy Putnam tell them they should pray for Blanc. The physician said the injuries were so severe that it would be several days before he could predict whether Blanc would survive.
Blanc was driving his sports car on a winding section of Sunset Boulevard when Arthur Rolston, 18, a Menlo College student, failed to guide his auto around a curve and smashed head-on into Blanc’s car, police reported. Both drivers were alone in their autos. Blanc was driving to a studio to do a commercial.
Rolston received minor injuries. He told police the wheels of his auto failed to turn with the steering wheel.
Blanc was a veteran performer on radio, TV and in the movies but he was probably best known for the estimated 1,000 cartoons for which he supplied comic voices but never appeared personally.
Sometimes Blanc made all the voices for Warner Bros. cartoons speaking the parts of five or so characters.

[LakeCleElum]

Results are in: Speeds of 84 to 87. No braking...........Very poor road design for those speeds.

[1990C4S]

When he never touched the brakes the design of the road becomes secondary. Too fast for the road, way too fast for that vehicle, and some sort of distraction or cognitive failure.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by LakeCleElum

Results are in: Speeds of 84 to 87. No braking...........Very poor road design for those speeds.

Shoot, how many curvy roads are negotiable at 85 MPH in an SUV? Add in some elevation and camber change and sure as hell, it's "defective" (for high speeds).

Tiger was asking for a disaster (or just being plain stupid) and he got one.

If what Lake says is true, I don't even feel sorry for TW. He was endangering anyone that might have been in his path. Like Mel Blanc.

[David]

He was probably used to driving at 85 mph just not in a Hyundai.

At least Tiger had his seat belt on. We had a prominent Houston attorney (and avid car collector) and his driver (not driving at the time) killed in a Chevy Suburban single car wreck several years ago. Neither had a seat belt on.