What the heck? New laws about working on your own cars?

[3rd_gear_Ted]

Farmers and the farm implement manufacturers are the ones really going at it.

Since beginning of our country farmers fix everything with anything as needed.

John Deere and others say; not No more you don't, you gotta come to us

[stevej37]

Michigan encourages the mentioned things.

No vehicle inspections or smog tests....teach the owner how to take care of it.

[porsche930dude]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

UUnrestricted use of blue smoke 2 strokes will kill us all!!! I s'pose those may be next.

Leaf blowers are already banned in alot of places. My mother always said california will beak off and fall into the ocean soon enough. If there is one thing iv learned from this forum its to not live in California. Or even go there and visit for any reason whatsoever.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by 3rd_gear_Ted

Farmers and the farm implement manufacturers are the ones really going at it.

Since beginning of our country farmers fix everything with anything as needed.

John Deere and others say; not No more you don't, you gotta come to us

I was going to bring that up but there is pending legislation regarding Deere and their 'property' which consists mainly of the diagnostic software. Porsche and others did the same until a court decision in 2012 allowed indy shops to acquire the tools. So this will be a landmark when it gets passed and challenged in court.

You think you might like a car stereo that has a couple of knobs along with t touch screen? The farmers are disgusted at the new technology and seemingly want a bit more analog control of their machines.

@Island911, that was a rather blanket statement about illegals. You must not get out much because there are issues with illegals all over the country. Furthermore, the tire guy had a legit business with more than one mobile unit. I seriously doubt he'd just crossed the border recently.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I was going to bring that up but there is pending legislation regarding Deere and their 'property' which consists mainly of the diagnostic software. Porsche and others did the same until a court decision in 2012 allowed indy shops to acquire the tools. So this will be a landmark when it gets passed and challenged in court.

You think you might like a car stereo that has a couple of knobs along with t touch screen? The farmers are disgusted at the new technology and seemingly want a bit more analog control of their machines.

@Island911, that was a rather blanket statement about illegals. You must not get out much because there are issues with illegals all over the country. Furthermore, the tire guy had a legit business with more than one mobile unit. I seriously doubt he'd just crossed the border recently.

This news appears similar in spirit to the "Right to Repair" on-going discussion in Congress. That argument centered around independent electronic repair shops and their ability to source repair parts and schematics to repair customer cell phones, computers, etc. In those cases, many manufacturers, primarily Apple but others as well, don't want customers to repair their devices outside of their dealer repair network. Beyond that, they have also prevented their outsourced components from been sold outside the dealer network (USB connectors, battery charge ports, etc.). They've also serialized certain internal components so if e.g. a replacement PC board doesn't match the item serial number, the product won't work. Furthermore, they won't repair it claiming it's no longer an XXX product.

In the auto repair world, that's equivalent to taking your car into the dealer for new brakes, but when they discover a non-factory brake pad, rotor or tire, they'll refuse to service it because it's no longer a XXX product (fill in brand name).

The article I read said this Sac. law doesn't affect repairs performed in an enclosed area, but the stipulation that tools/equipment not commonly used in residential garages qualify as non-compliant is ill-defined.

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/county-in-california-makes-it-almost-illegal-to-repair-your-car-at-home

Up to this point, the Right-to-Repair proponents had pointed to the automotive repair world as an example of factory support. Service info, parts and even special tools are available to independent repair businesses who wants to repair customer vehicles. This whole argument raises the question of who owns it, you or the manufacturer. Of course, corporate lobbyists have more access to legislators who, on the whole, know not much beyond their specialty subjects/interests.

As Milt mentioned, John Deere is another example. Tractor repair is a trade secret, not easily repairable by their owners nor are parts and tech data easily accessed.

Here's an outspoken spokesperson for the right-to-repair folks. He's a repair tech and owns a shop in NY. He's a little into himself and he goes on for 20 min., but he's got valid arguments:



Sherwood

[thor66]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Cali working to be come the largest HOA in the world?

Does anybody here live in an HOA?

[Por_sha911]

Don't be naive.
Certain politicians want to kill your Constitutional rights by infringing it to virtually nullify it. Why are you shocked that they want to tell you that you can't work on your own car? This is the logical progression of government taking away your liberty "for your own good". You are getting what you voted for.

[RANDY P]

If they don't agree with you, you get cancelled.

rjp

[Dantilla]

I have a 1971 Chevy pickup truck.

If this were to pass, how will the local Chevy dealership respond when I bring it in for service?
Are they going to have parts in stock?

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Dantilla

I have a 1971 Chevy pickup truck.

If this were to pass, how will the local Chevy dealership respond when I bring it in for service?
Are they going to have parts in stock?

Or the knowledge... tune a carburetor is a lost skill

[RANDY P]

Think a carb is bad try GM TBI. I had to learn all about it myself.

rjp

[thor66]

This is really just discrimination against the garageless

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Okay, after reading the link it seems they want to prevent repairs that leave the vehicle inoperable for longer than 24 hours but typical maintenance like brakes, oil changes etc are allowable. I don't know how many folks this would effect in general but it's still not right.

“Furthermore, this kind of activity increases vehicle traffic and the visual impact can negatively impact property value.” Oh... the unsightliness of it all! How can I enjoy my caviar while the neighbors are wrenching on their car?

No repairs that may render a vehicle inoperable for more than 24 hours? Clearly not written by anyone who's ever wrenched on anything older. How many 30-minute repairs turn into 2 or 4 day ordeals when a stupid friggin' bolt breaks/strips/seizes?

And visual impact? I wonder if it makes a difference if I'm working on my 930 or Civic.

I'm surprised this type of stuff actually passes ACLU muster even here in Kalifornia. This type of regulation could be very easily construed as racist/elitist/classist. My Mexican friends always joke how their husbands (I work with a lot of Mexican women) have about 4 cars/trucks in the driveway and front yard, with only about half of them operable and registered at any given time.

[mattdavis11]

I would think Austin Texas would be over this type of ordinance, but I haven't heard a word about it. I no longer live there, but do work there.

There were 6-7 vans/pickups adjacent to Autozone today either working on cars, or looking for people who need work done. Think Home Depot, but they have everything they need right there. Several cars on jackstands, some up in the air with no stands, just a jack.

Of course, most didn't speak a lick of English, but somehow I managed to get info for 5 or 6 accounts, hopefully leading to our benefit.

No problems on the home front, I have one on jack stands in front of the house (been that way for 2 years), a total of 8 vehicles and one boat outside, on our property, which is 5 blocks from the courthouse.

[speeder]

That law sounds onerous but I can see some ordinances wrt working on cars in residential neighborhoods. No one in a nice 'hood wants to see bubba hammering away on a schitbox in his driveway.

There are probably already laws or ordinances in a lot of places and in any kind of HOA, forget about it. I'm fortunate in that everywhere I work on my stuff in CA. is outside of public view, either indoors or on gated property in a semi-rural area. Not everyone has that luxury, of course.

The scene described of guys working on cars outside of Autozone sounds like a Grade-A schitshow, tbh.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by speeder

That law sounds onerous but I can see some ordinances wrt working on cars in residential neighborhoods. No one in a nice 'hood wants to see bubba hammering away on a schitbox in his driveway.

There are probably already laws or ordinances in a lot of places and in any kind of HOA, forget about it. I'm fortunate in that everywhere I work on my stuff in CA. is outside of public view, either indoors or on gated property in a semi-rural area. Not everyone has that luxury, of course.

The scene described of guys working on cars outside of Autozone sounds like a Grade-A schitshow, tbh.

Problem is, some neighbors may not know or care about the car you have in your driveway. To them they're all schitboxes. Better R&R those spark plugs when it's dark.

I assume this law also applies to thieves who steal catalytic converters.

[911pcars]

Originally Posted by Noah930

....... My Mexican friends always joke how their husbands (I work with a lot of Mexican women) have about 4 cars/trucks in the driveway and front yard, with only about half of them operable and registered at any given time.

Noah, that could apply to many Porsche owners as well. Many owners have 2 or 3 in the back yard for spares.

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[island911]

Originally Posted by speeder

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The scene described of guys working on cars outside of Autozone sounds like a Grade-A schitshow, tbh.

So is this Grade AAA ? I get confused about how to grade schitshows. :-/







Seems they have bigger schitshows to purge than some guy outside of Autozone...

[911pcars]

Welcome to the USA, a once proud third world country?

[island911]

But at least we have thousands of homeless flooding our Sothern border.

Welcome to our dystopian future.