Motor Trend June 2021 Issue

[pwd72s]

One look at the cover and it went into the recycle pile unopened..."The green issue". The big test comparison article plugged on the cover? Mustang Mach E vs. Tesla Model Y.

[CA_WhaleTail]

Sign of the times...Oil is evil....Won't be any gasoline produced from Kalifornia by 2045

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday said California will stop issuing fracking permits by 2024 and halt all oil extraction by 2045, using his authority to take on the state's powerful oil and gas industry in a year he will likely face voters in a recall election.

If successful, California — the seventh-largest oil-producing state in the nation — would become the largest to ban fracking and likely the first in the world to set a deadline for the end of all oil production.

“As we move to swiftly decarbonize our transportation sector and create a healthier future for our children, I’ve made it clear I don’t see a role for fracking in that future and similarly, believe that California needs to move beyond oil,” Newsom said at a news release.

California was once one of the largest oil-producing states in the nation, with a robust industry centered in the Central Valley just north of Los Angeles. But by 2020, the state’s oil production fell to its lowest level in state history, down 68% from its peak in 1985. Still, the industry employs about 152,000 people and is responsible for $152.3 billion in economic output, according to a 2019 study.


https://news.yahoo.com/california-governor-seeks-ban-fracking-190531485.html

[McLovin]

Electric cars are taking over now not because of green issues, but *economics*.
They are simpler to make, use a fraction of the number of drivetrain components, and very soon (by 2022) will be cheaper to buy (and more profitable to make) than equivalent gas powered cars.
With the leaps in battery tech, ranges of 400+ miles are here. (The new Mercedes coming out is something like 450 miles.
The internal combustion engine for cars is officially a dead man walking. I can’t imagine any manufacturers are putting any significant R&D dollars into future IC engines.
I’m glad to have lived through the rise and peak of the IC engine, and as one with gasoline in my veins sad to see it go.

[Nostril Cheese]

Substitute "Mustang" for "Viagra" in Paul's case

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by McLovin

Electric cars are taking over now not because of green issues, but *economics*.
They are simpler to make, use a fraction of the number of drivetrain components, and very soon (by 2022) will be cheaper to buy (and more profitable to make) than equivalent gas powered cars.
With the leaps in battery tech, ranges of 400+ miles are here. (The new Mercedes coming out is something like 450 miles.
The internal combustion engine for cars is officially a dead man walking. I can’t imagine any manufacturers are putting any significant R&D dollars into future IC engines.
I’m glad to have lived through the rise and peak of the IC engine, and as one with gasoline in my veins sad to see it go.

Isn't Porsche investing hundreds of millions in carbon neutral gas?

[ckissick]

There are currently 1.42 billion cars in the world. Let's say every car is battery-powered, as is the ultimate goal one day. A Tesla has a battery pack weighing 1,200 pounds, with 7,104 batteries. So we would need 1 trillion, 704 billion pounds of batteries. And for total number of batteries, we'll have to switch to scientific notation: 1X10^13 batteries. They'll probably last about 8 years. Something to think about.

[Bill Douglas]

Yep. The level of dirty mining to get the ingrdients for batteries. The poor level ofrecycling of battries.

Then countries that burn coal to get the electricirty. The loss of electricity along the power wires before it goes through a charger...

[dan79brooklyn]

I read that one reason the Japanese are sticking with hybrid cars are that they have a massive supply infrastructure and there are many companies making parts for their vehicles, if they switched to electric cars that would put a lot of companies out of business. Interesting to consider that aspect.

Originally Posted by McLovin

Electric cars are taking over now not because of green issues, but *economics*.
They are simpler to make, use a fraction of the number of drivetrain components, and very soon (by 2022) will be cheaper to buy (and more profitable to make) than equivalent gas powered cars.
With the leaps in battery tech, ranges of 400+ miles are here. (The new Mercedes coming out is something like 450 miles.
The internal combustion engine for cars is officially a dead man walking. I can’t imagine any manufacturers are putting any significant R&D dollars into future IC engines.
I’m glad to have lived through the rise and peak of the IC engine, and as one with gasoline in my veins sad to see it go.

[oldE]

Extending that argument would suggest we continue making buggy whips and kerosene lanterns.

Nothing remains the same. We may kick,scream, kvetch and moan, but they change.
As I get older I am amazed by the amount of energy some people waste trying to stop time.
Enjoy the ride, folks!
As for Motor Trend, I stopped reading that pathetic rag decades ago.
Best
Les

[ZOO]

I'm ready. I am fairly certain that the GTI we bought in 2018 may have been the last ICE new car purchase in my life.

[pavulon]

everyone likes progress, fewer like change.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by oldE

Extending that argument would suggest we continue making buggy whips and kerosene lanterns.

Nothing remains the same. We may kick,scream, kvetch and moan, but they change.
As I get older I am amazed by the amount of energy some people waste trying to stop time.
Enjoy the ride, folks!
As for Motor Trend, I stopped reading that pathetic rag decades ago.
Best
Les

Problem is...Motor Trend is among the scant few hard copy car magazines left...

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

One look at the cover and it went into the recycle pile unopened..."The green issue". The big test comparison article plugged on the cover? Mustang Mach E vs. Tesla Model Y.

Too bad you threw it away. Harbor Freight had a coupon for a free pool-ball gearshift knob. Your choice of the 8, 6 or 14 ball.

[creaturecat]

#livinginthepast.
do you have a colour tv?

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

Too bad you threw it away. Harbor Freight had a coupon for a free pool-ball gearshift knob. Your choice of the 8, 6 or 14 ball.

That's a shame...I'm holding out for a 5 ball. Love it's color.

[oldE]

Through this board, I was introduced to Bad Obsession Motorsports (Project Binky), Iain Tyrrell's Garage, Harry's Garage, and Retropower. There is lots of other content out there on the interwebs. Youtube keeps suggesting different channels, some I have liked and followed, some are not to my liking.
In short, I am not missing hard copy automotive magazines at all. I used to subscribe to C&D, Road & Track, Automobile and Sports Car International. That era is past.

Enjoy what we have.
Best
Les

[1990C4S]

Say what you will, car guys that give the electric cars a fair shake generally come away impressed.

They aren't garbage...

[CA_WhaleTail]

Indeed...electric motor torque is impressive. good thing...ICEs are falling out of favor quickly.

Washington state passes bill to halt new gasoline-powered vehicle sales starting in 2030

The dominos are falling in the war on gasoline-powered automobiles. Washington State lawmakers have passed a bill to stop sales of gasoline-fueled vehicles there beginning in 2030. That’s five years ahead of California, Massachusetts, and New Jersey, which have all set a deadline of 2035.

The Environmental Protection Agency says transportation is the no. 1 source of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States.

Though these changes are starting to gain traction in U.S. states, the anti-fossil fuel trend around the globe is well underway. At least 15 other countries—including the U.K. and Japan—have established plans to sales of new gasoline cars, and others have established stringent policies to spur EV adoption.

“Europe and China have woken up to the fact that [the combustion engine] is dead,” Arndt Ellinghorst, automotive analyst at Bernstein Research, told the Wall Street Journal last fall. “Now, it looks like the U.S. is waking up.”

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/washington-state-passes-bill-to-halt-new-gasoline-powered-vehicle-sales-starting-in-2030/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Saturday_RoadTrip

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

One look at the cover and it went into the recycle pile unopened..."The green issue". The big test comparison article plugged on the cover? Mustang Mach E vs. Tesla Model Y.

The don't call it Motor TREND for nothing.

[herr_oberst]

Mach E is the pacecar for the Talledega 500 today.