Caliber compatibility, hand versus long spoon.

Joe Bob · Joe Bob's Garage

SO, having not shot a pistol round .40 or .45 long rifle. I am interested in anyone that had experience in using pistol ammo in a long gun. Not having to purchase different calibers is not only common sense but also frugal.

Back in the day I did have the opportunity to test a Thompson "sub" Machine gun. It had a nasty reputation of pulling up and to one side, right if i recall. It did have a single shot switch. Easy to control. A 3 shot option that was developed in VN would have been a nice option.

Since all the ones I see online are semis, that won't be problem.....but just stating that I would like to talk with people on shooting a rifle with pistol ammo.

KFC911 · 05-11-2021, 02:15 PM

I love my .357 Marlin lever, and honestly have never enjoyed shooting my S&Ws (.357 & .44) and preferred my .45 ACP instead. I'm sure a .44 mag lever would be awesome too .... but feeding it wouldn't

Joe Bob · Joe Bob's Garage

I should amend my post with ".40 Smith and Wesson and/or .45 ACP."

It would also be convenient if the rifle was compatible with the magazines.

id10t · 05-11-2021, 02:38 PM

Love my 9mm AR "pistol". Using Endomags, so I can convert to other calibers, but prior I had a 9mm AR carbine that took Glock mags. Magwell adapters are also available... my buddy uses one in his M16 lower with a mag block to use Colt style mags.

Love my Ruger 44 mag carbine. Wife shot it once 25 years ago and thinks it is hers.

Had a small ring 1916 Spanish Mauser in 308 that I was going to convert to 45acp but a buddy offered me stupid money for just the rifle as it was.

Marlin Camp Carbines are a blast, but collectors items now...

If you want a 40s&w AR type then contact Rudy @ Macon Armory. When it comes to AR types in pistol calibers hes the man. Same goes for 45acp. He can fix you up for 9mm too but those are fairly standard and trivial to build up. If you have a standard AR lower, get a few Endomags (the ones w/ the ejector on the mag, not the ones for the CMMG setup) and a complete Foxtrot Mike upper from aimsurplus.com. Swap a carbine buffer for a 9mm buffer or if you have a rifle extension (A1/2 full stock etc) then use a 2.75" block w/ a quarter on top (to make internal dimensions same as carbine extension) and a carbine spring and 9mm buffer.

drcoastline · 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Bob

I should amend my post with ".40 Smith and Wesson and/or .45 ACP."

It would also be convenient if the rifle was compatible with the magazines.

I have a Keltec sub2000 chambered in 9mm, it accepts my Glock mags. Hindsight being 20/20 I probably should have gotten the Glock in 40S&W. Then purchased a second barrel chambered in 9MM. I could have kept the 40 S&W as an alternate.

Edit: The keltec can be chambered in 40 S&W but 9mm made more sense to me.

HardDrive · 05-11-2021, 03:05 PM

I had a Henry Big Boy .44 mag. I actually managed to take a deer with it, but I never liked the gun. Furniture too small, accuracy was poor.

Bill Douglas · 05-11-2021, 03:17 PM

If you handload you can have a bit more powder in your loads. Heavy gun offsets it of course.

The bullet probably will go faster from the long gun too.

One night we were shooting tracer out of .22 pistols, then shot it out of rifles and you really could see that the bullet was going much faster.

cassisrot · 05-11-2021, 04:56 PM

I really enjoy shooting my USFA 45 Colts and my Marlin 1894 lever action carbine also in 45 colt. I’m not a hunter, just a shooter and I shoot them as often as I can.

flatbutt · 05-11-2021, 05:24 PM

What kind of range do you get firing hand gun ammo out of a rifle?

cassisrot · 05-14-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt

What kind of range do you get firing hand gun ammo out of a rifle?

I never measured the range out on the ranch, but I’d guess I was comfortably shooting 100 yards or so.

Tobra · 05-14-2021, 11:05 AM

This is a nice font of information

Ballistics by the inch

KFC911 · 05-14-2021, 11:05 AM

With open sights .... as far as I can see

100+ easily.

HardDrive · 05-14-2021, 01:48 PM

I put a scope on the Henry (which looked down right silly honestly), and I never could do better than a 6 inch group at 100 yrds. Likely my lack of skill, and never having the right setup due to the small furniture. Good enough deer hunting in the midwest.

pwd72s · 02:44 PM

Very generally speaking...Just not enough energy or accuracy for a handgun round to work well in a rifle...just my opinion, mind you. (edit) Opinion gained from both hunting and range shooting

id10t · 05-14-2021, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s

Very generally speaking...Just not enough energy or accuracy for a handgun round to work well in a rifle...just my opinion, mind you. (edit) Opinion gained from both hunting and range shooting

Would depend on what you are using the spoon for, and what type of PCC.

I can shoot groups at 50 yards with a 9mm AR type smaller than 25 yard groups with my CZ75. And I can hit IPSC silly-wets at 200 yards with it as well.

Would I use it to go after deer or pigs? Would not be my first choice but here in Florida 50 yards or less shots are much more common than anything else. Would I count on it for home defense? Yup. Everything about it is better than my CZ for that purpose.

When ammo was cheap and plentiful good brass 9mm was still 2/3 the cost of steel case 223 and 1/2 the cost of brass 223. So I'd even argue that they make superior range toys for a day of shooting, especially since they can be configured same as an AR (or even use your standard AR lower and the Endomags or a mag block)

Yup, plenty of reasons to own a PCC. Has admittedly somewhat limited use, but that use covers what a large percentage of shooters do.

Others like my 44 mag Ruger carbine work great here in the SE and anywhere else where your land is mostly flat-ish and wooded and a long shot is 100 yards. My eyes are the limitation now but when I could actually see the front sight and targets 4-5" groups at 100 yards were the norm. Sounds terrible, but that is really long range for deer in many of the hunting areas around me, and that 180gr JHP started out at almost 2000fps . Plenty for deer and pigs within 100 yards, maybe a little further.

KFC911 · 05-14-2021, 03:27 PM

^^^ yep ... I wouldn't take a 100 yd shot, but grabbed the Marlin .357 as I put the dawg in and checked out the woods behind my house earlier... some kind of critter (cat mebbe) screech. Perfect 2 or 4 legged protection.... my choich these daze

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carambola · carambola's Garage

please understand, i know nothing

a handgun load out of a rifle will see exponential parabolic tendencies

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Guys, he is looking for advice on .40 S&W and .45 ACP carbines.

Ruger PC carbine is available in 40 S&W. There are some uppers for the AR-15 that are 40 S&W.

.45 ACP carbines

https://www.colsontaskforce.org/best-45-acp-carbine/

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

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Originally Posted by carambola

please understand, i know nothing

a handgun load out of a rifle will see exponential parabolic tendencies

To a point. With .357 Magnum, up to 16" you gain. Past 16" you begin to lose velocity. I expect with different powders the velocity could keep going up. YMMV.

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

It looks like you are better off with lighter loads for the 40 S&W Carbine

http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/40sw.html