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Baz 06-12-2021 03:33 PM

Check out the original Invoice for my '64 356C
 
My 356 didn't come with any service records when I bought it. But when I joined the 356 Registry - my car was logged in along with my contact info. A few years later I was contacted by a fellow registry member who owns a repair business in Virginia. Turns out he ran across several boxes of old service records from two different old Porsches. Mine being one of them. So he sent me all the stuff. Interesting all the work that was done on my car by the owner, who lived in Virginia. Includes correspondence with various Porsche dealers and shops around the country - including even Vasek Polak!

Anyway......thought it might be of interest to share the invoice when the car was first sold. I thought is was cool that it also shows a '62 Volvo as a trade in! Was purchased by a doctor in Ohio.

I also have the invoice when it was sold to the fellow in Virginia who accumulated all the service records and invoices.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623540727.jpg

Racerbvd 06-12-2021 04:00 PM

Very cool

unclebilly 06-12-2021 04:04 PM

That’s super cool.

In 1964, $5000 nearly bought a house so I guess inflation has tracked about the same with real estate…

Jrboulder 06-12-2021 04:04 PM

Wow what a find!

$6.06 and a half-owned Volvo and you could be in a new Porsche.

Bill Douglas 06-12-2021 04:06 PM

Awesome!

rusnak 06-12-2021 04:26 PM

no left headrest?

id10t 06-12-2021 04:29 PM

I have Dad's original hand written receipt for when he bought my 356C coupe new. I keep it in the glove box, along with the service coupon booklet (missing first oil change). :)

Pops paid $3750 w/ tax, tag, etc. OTD for #222522 with a dealer-installed Artic Kar AC unit (that I never saw him use.... ) in Tampa, took delivery of it on 7/26/65. It was the last one he could find in the SE US. He had a '63 B coupe that got totaled in a wreck...

id10t 06-12-2021 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 11360540)
no left headrest?

Nope, head rest is for passenger comfort. Driver doesn't need to be chilling back. Same reason there are no cup holders.

look 171 06-12-2021 04:35 PM

That's a lot of money back then. If I remember correctly, a Mustang can be had for about 2k in the late 70s? I Remember looking at a new car with my dad in 78 or 79 at the Ford dealer ship in Glendale, CA seeing the Mustangs were just over 2k.

Baz 06-12-2021 05:01 PM

Thanks, guys!

Interesting it's lists the "Key #" as well. I wonder if it's got that same key code?

Baz 06-12-2021 05:11 PM

Current JD Power values for that Volvo:

Original MSRP: $2,495
Low Retail: $6,375
Average Retail: $13,450
High Retail: $24,300

Shaun @ Tru6 06-12-2021 05:36 PM

Here's my 69S

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623548159.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623548159.JPG

Doug E 06-12-2021 05:44 PM

Very cool.

Small world, the original selling location is right down the road from me here in Cincy.

jhynesrockmtn 06-12-2021 06:29 PM

That C has some great options. Mine was pretty bare bones other than the Chrome wheels. Very cool you got all of those records! A buddy has a 64C as well. Same White/Black as mine but with the passenger headrest, fog lights and a few other bits.

speeder 06-12-2021 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by look 171 (Post 11360551)
That's a lot of money back then. If I remember correctly, a Mustang can be had for about 2k in the late 70s? I Remember looking at a new car with my dad in 78 or 79 at the Ford dealer ship in Glendale, CA seeing the Mustangs were just over 2k.

Your memory isn’t great, new Mustangs were not $2k in the late ‘70s. They had a base price of ~$2500 in 1964 and that would be a 6-cylinder hardtop with a 3-speed manual and not one single option. They were about double that by the late ‘70s.

Bill Douglas 06-12-2021 07:03 PM

Not the original invoice, but photos of it as soon as it was driven home by the first owner.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623553193.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623553193.jpg

MAS956 06-12-2021 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 11360508)
My 356 didn't come with any service records when I bought it. But when I joined the 356 Registry - my car was logged in along with my contact info. A few years later I was contacted by a fellow registry member who owns a repair business in Virginia. Turns out he ran across several boxes of old service records from two different old Porsches. Mine being one of them. So he sent me all the stuff. Interesting all the work that was done on my car by the owner, who lived in Virginia. Includes correspondence with various Porsche dealers and shops around the country - including even Vasek Polak!

Anyway......thought it might be of interest to share the invoice when the car was first sold. I thought is was cool that it also shows a '62 Volvo as a trade in! Was purchased by a doctor in Ohio.

I also have the invoice when it was sold to the fellow in Virginia who accumulated all the service records and invoices.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623540727.jpg

I wonder what he traded in....

Jeff Alton 06-12-2021 07:57 PM

^^^ looks like a volvo 4 dr

speeder 06-12-2021 08:05 PM

And $5300 was HUGE money for a little 4-cyl sports car in 1964. A VW bug was around $1600 new, for comparison sake.

Jeff Higgins 06-12-2021 08:09 PM

Interestingly, in today's money, a 356 was about a $30,000 - $35,000 car.

dafischer 06-12-2021 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11360657)
And $5300 was HUGE money for a little 4-cyl sports car in 1964. A VW bug was around $1600 new, for comparison sake.

My dad paid $1800 for his new 65 Beetle convertible.

Jeff Alton 06-12-2021 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11360659)
Interestingly, in today's money, a 356 was about a $30,000 - $35,000 car.

Interested in your math on this.... NOT SAYING you are wrong by any means.

Now, we are talking Canada here. My dad paid 7900 for his 72 911T brand new. He paid 25K for the house I grew up in in 1969. He earned 6K as a high school teacher in 1972, the same year he bought the car (he fished commercially in the summers to pay for the car). So, as a teacher he could not afford a 356 priced car. It was more than his salary. A 35K car right now is half (give or take a few thousand) a teachers salary here.

The perfectly restored 60 356 S90 we brought home from Kenya when moved back here he sold for 35K in 1980.

Many ways to compare today's buying power vs years gone by. Same as salaries vs costs of goods.

Bill Douglas 06-12-2021 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dafischer (Post 11360670)
My dad paid $1800 for his new 65 Beetle convertible.

That means in today's money a Porche has got cheaper. Or more to the point a VW has got disproportionately more expensive.

Evans, Marv 06-12-2021 09:15 PM

The inflation calculator I used said $46K. Still not a lot of $ by today's standards.

wdfifteen 06-12-2021 09:51 PM

That's awesome Baz!!

drcoastline 06-13-2021 01:50 AM

That's pretty cool.

slow&rusty 06-13-2021 03:11 AM

Awesome! Love seeing these original window stickers, very nostalgic and a great piece of history.

Jeff Higgins 06-13-2021 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Alton (Post 11360672)
Interested in your math on this.... NOT SAYING you are wrong by any means.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv (Post 11360683)
The inflation calculator I used said $46K. Still not a lot of $ by today's standards.

There was an article in Panorama in the last few months that stated the $30-#35k figure. Sounded low to me, but I wasn't interested enough to run it down. It did kind of surprise me enough that I remembered they had stated that. I mean, that's low end Subaru money these days. Personally, I think Marv's number must be closer but, again, I'm not curious enough to check it out.

The salient point is that these cars were a good deal "cheaper", relatively speaking, when new than equivalent cars are today. But, then again, we really do not have anything "equivalent" today. The wonderful simplicity of a 356, early 911, or any car from that era stands in stark contrast to the rolling electronic nightmares we are stuck with today. We expect more and our regulatory agencies demand more. All of that has added substantially to the cost of any vehicle, of course, rendering them in today's market as far more relatively expensive than in the past.

rusnak 06-13-2021 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by id10t (Post 11360546)
Nope, head rest is for passenger comfort. Driver doesn't need to be chilling back. Same reason there are no cup holders.

Well, that just makes it that much more fantastic!

Baz 06-13-2021 04:39 PM

The car came with the driver's side headrest as standard. The right (passenger) side headrest was an option.

Jeff Alton 06-13-2021 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11360970)
There was an article in Panorama in the last few months that stated the $30-#35k figure. Sounded low to me, but I wasn't interested enough to run it down. It did kind of surprise me enough that I remembered they had stated that. I mean, that's low end Subaru money these days. Personally, I think Marv's number must be closer but, again, I'm not curious enough to check it out.

The salient point is that these cars were a good deal "cheaper", relatively speaking, when new than equivalent cars are today. But, then again, we really do not have anything "equivalent" today. The wonderful simplicity of a 356, early 911, or any car from that era stands in stark contrast to the rolling electronic nightmares we are stuck with today. We expect more and our regulatory agencies demand more. All of that has added substantially to the cost of any vehicle, of course, rendering them in today's market as far more relatively expensive than in the past.

Well said Jeff,

We don't seen to have an equivalent. I don't think you can get a boxster out the door for those number :)

Great discussion!

Cheers

id10t 06-13-2021 07:12 PM

Few more things to consider on the pricing, the DM was pegged at 4:1 on the dollar....

And the most desirable 356 - the iconic Speedster - was meant to be brought in as "the cheap version" ...

Starless 06-14-2021 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11360624)
Your memory isn’t great, new Mustangs were not $2k in the late ‘70s. They had a base price of ~$2500 in 1964 and that would be a 6-cylinder hardtop with a 3-speed manual and not one single option. They were about double that by the late ‘70s.

I was just about to say the same thing. I bought a Fiat X1/9 new in 1978 and it was @ $5500. No way a new Mustang was half the price.

GH85Carrera 06-14-2021 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 11360508)
My 356 didn't come with any service records when I bought it. But when I joined the 356 Registry - my car was logged in along with my contact info. A few years later I was contacted by a fellow registry member who owns a repair business in Virginia. Turns out he ran across several boxes of old service records from two different old Porsches. Mine being one of them. So he sent me all the stuff. Interesting all the work that was done on my car by the owner, who lived in Virginia. Includes correspondence with various Porsche dealers and shops around the country - including even Vasek Polak!

Anyway......thought it might be of interest to share the invoice when the car was first sold. I thought is was cool that it also shows a '62 Volvo as a trade in! Was purchased by a doctor in Ohio.

I also have the invoice when it was sold to the fellow in Virginia who accumulated all the service records and invoices.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623540727.jpg


According to the inflation calculator that comes to about $46,000 in 2021 money.

Steve Carlton 06-14-2021 07:16 AM

Mustang base prices from 1964.5-2021 including inflation adjusted prices:

https://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/mustang-prices-through-the-years

fastfredracing 06-14-2021 07:30 AM

That is awesome Baz . . Id love to find the original invoice for my turbo carrera .

Racerbvd 06-14-2021 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starless (Post 11361562)
I was just about to say the same thing. I bought a Fiat X1/9 new in 1978 and it was @ $5500. No way a new Mustang was half the price.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1623685371.jpg

URY914 06-14-2021 08:59 AM

I had a friend that bought a '64 Ford wagon from an old timer. He had saved EVERY everything to do with that car; all sale documents, loan docs, service docs, and he kept a running log of all fuel fill ups with dates and prices in little flip folders. My friend said it was like going back in time looking at it all.

Geneman 06-15-2021 05:02 AM

i have the receipt for my 71 pinto, brown, before explosion..,,, any interest here?...:)

GH85Carrera 06-15-2021 01:08 PM

In 1973 I paid $2,600 for a 1973 Super Beetle. I paid it off in one year, and traded it in for my 74 914 2.0 as the down payment. The bug was in pristine condition, and they gave me $2,300 for it.


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