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Seahawk 08-04-2021 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 11412326)
Rent assistance distribution should go straight to the property owner. Our legislature could make it happen if they weren't so fixated on ensuring people's "right" not to wear masks and other bull*** hot button issues. They'd rather be talked about on facebook.

Please. Congress needs to act, not the CDC or the President...Congress has to vote for this to be extended but they won't because they are all spineless weasels

It would take ten minutes...straight up or down vote on a one page piece of legislation.

GH85Carrera 08-04-2021 06:36 AM

First the supreme court needs to rule if it is even legal.

The CDC is essentially taking control of private property and taking the use of the rental properties from the control of the owners. 100% of all taxes, and mortgage payments continue, just zero income. The apartments that have "all bills paid" must be really hurting. How can the CDC say to a landlord, you have to pay the costs and just eat the loss, it will never get repaid, never be reimbursed, you just have to accept the massive loss. What are the constitutional rights of the owners? Are they just ignored?

cabmandone 08-04-2021 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 11412326)
Rent assistance distribution should go straight to the property owner. Our legislature could make it happen if they weren't so fixated on ensuring people's "right" not to wear masks and other bull*** hot button issues. They'd rather be talked about on facebook.

It shouldn't need fixed. The asshats that created the bill, voted for the bill and who signed the bill into law should have said "Hey! This money should go to the landlord not the individual"

wdfifteen 08-04-2021 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Seahawk (Post 11412337)
Please. Congress needs to act, not the CDC or the President...Congress has to vote for this to be extended but they won't because they are all spineless weasels

It would take ten minutes...straight up or down vote on a one page piece of legislation.

The US congress doesn't do anything in 10 minutes. This is contentious enough that it would take months, if not years.
Besides, congress has already allocated nearly 50 billion dollars to help out landlords and renters. The states just aren't distributing it. The states have farted around doing little or nothing for over a year. The need for an eviction moratorium would be largely eliminated if that $50 billion was put to use.

craigster59 08-04-2021 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11412392)
First the supreme court needs to rule if it is even legal.

The CDC is essentially taking control of private property and taking the use of the rental properties from the control of the owners. ...

The SCOTUS (or at least Kavanaugh) has said that they would veto any extension and strip Congress of much of its power to delegate regulatory power to agencies.

Federal law permits the CDC to “make and enforce such regulations as in [its] judgment are necessary to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases.” In issuing the first moratorium, the CDC determined that a temporary pause on many evictions was necessary to prevent the spread of Covid-19 because people who lose their homes are likely to either move in with friends and family or wind up in shelters, where they could catch the coronavirus or spread it to others.

With the vaccine and the drop in case numbers I don't think the extension is warranted.

wdfifteen 08-04-2021 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11412405)
It shouldn't need fixed. The asshats that created the bill, voted for the bill and who signed the bill into law should have said "Hey! This money should go to the landlord not the individual"

They made the money available to the states. The states could have figured out how to distribute it fairly if they'd tried. Handing rent vouchers to tenants wouldn't be that hard. I hate to be in the position of defending the US Congress (especially since my congressman is Warren Davidson), but they did a lot early last year. They voted to make this money available, you would think the state legislatures could have gotten off their asses, grabbed the ball, and run with it. It's free money for Gods sake, do something with it. Nope. In our state they sued the governor and actually tried to impeach him - over masks - while real help for the state went begging. Dumbasses.

cabmandone 08-04-2021 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 11412431)
They made the money available to the states. The states could have figured out how to distribute it fairly if they'd tried. Handing rent vouchers to tenants wouldn't be that hard. I hate to be in the position of defending the US Congress (especially since my congressman is Warren Davidson), but they did a lot early last year. They voted to make this money available, you would think the state legislatures could have gotten off their asses, grabbed the ball, and run with it. It's free money for Gods sake, do something with it. Nope. In our state they sued the governor and actually tried to impeach him - over masks - while real help for the state went begging. Dumbasses.

I'm not sure it's a matter of the legislature being at fault though. The money goes to the State program if I'm not mistaken. Here's a decent read on what is viewed as the problem.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/08/02/eviction-looms-ohio-tenants-rent-assistance-sits-unspent/5427836001/

berettafan 08-04-2021 07:17 AM

This is straight up theft of property rights. That Congress isn't smart enough to ask 'wait, what happened to all those thousands of $$ we already sent out?' tells me we are ****ed.

Sooner or later the people doing all the work are gonna walk off the job and we will have that third world country the left dreams about.

GH85Carrera 08-04-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 11412423)
The SCOTUS (or at least Kavanaugh) has said that they would veto any extension and strip Congress of much of its power to delegate regulatory power to agencies.

Federal law permits the CDC to “make and enforce such regulations as in [its] judgment are necessary to prevent the introduction, transmission, or spread of communicable diseases.” In issuing the first moratorium, the CDC determined that a temporary pause on many evictions was necessary to prevent the spread of Covid-19 because people who lose their homes are likely to either move in with friends and family or wind up in shelters, where they could catch the coronavirus or spread it to others.

With the vaccine and the drop in case numbers I don't think the extension is warranted.

The CDC certainly has some authority, BUT, they can't just decide that to prevent the spread of disease everyone with a house and spare bedroom has to let some homeless family move in rent free. Allowing someone to stay in a house rent free is no different. The CDC can't tell us that we have to let someone else use our cars to keep them off the buses.

The CDC may have some authority, but that do not have the authority to commandeer private property.

wdfifteen 08-04-2021 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11412440)
I'm not sure it's a matter of the legislature being at fault though.

From the article:
"Ohio leaves rental assistance up to its local agencies to manage. There's no standardized form or website or method for processing applications."

Now who could have set up a state-wide system with standardized forms and a website if they'd cared enough to?

cabmandone 08-04-2021 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 11412457)
From the article:
"Ohio leaves rental assistance up to its local agencies to manage. There's no standardized form or website or method for processing applications."

Now who could have set up a state-wide system with standardized forms and a website if they'd cared enough to?

I saw that but it also mentioned that there's such a demand that the agencies simply can't keep up.

cabmandone 08-04-2021 07:35 AM

There was also this point "The federal dollars come with certain strings attached and getting all that documentation takes time."

Por_sha911 08-04-2021 08:13 AM

We need to change the thread name to "Impending foreclosure or abandonment of rentals by owners" to keep current with what the govt is doing to landlords. We can make the whole country look like East St Louis.

WPOZZZ 08-04-2021 08:21 AM

And you guys know what is going to happen? The eviction moratorium will be extended from an Oct 30 end date to end of March. Why? Because you can't put people on the streets during winter. I have a few tenants that are behind. One tenant is a deadbeat and hasn't paid anything since June 2020. Another one was good and didn't pay July's rent because they were getting rental assistance. Rental assistance came in, but the money they saved by having the gov't pay their rent, they bought a dog. Fukn priorities!

craigster59 08-04-2021 08:26 AM

I saw a "Tweet'" by Cori Bush yesterday with a picture of her, AOC and a couple other "squad" members lauding the "new" extension of the moratorium. To say the responses treated them as superheroes would be an understatement....

craigster59 08-04-2021 08:30 AM

Just in case you were wondering......

https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1422656978682269704

fastfredracing 08-04-2021 08:39 AM

makes me fking sick . Ima bout to make the evening news .

Por_sha911 08-04-2021 08:48 AM

I'm going to go with a wild theory that the moratorium will be extended until the elections in 2022...

Well, looks like WPOZZZ beat me to it.
Thanks Rikao4 for pointing to my error.

Rikao4 08-04-2021 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by WPOZZZ (Post 11412548)
And you guys know what is going to happen? The eviction moratorium will be extended from an Oct 30 end date to end of March 2022. Why? Because you can't put people on the streets during winter. I have a few tenants that are behind. One tenant is a deadbeat and hasn't paid anything since June 2020. Another one was good and didn't pay July's rent because they were getting rental assistance. Rental assistance came in, but the money they saved by having the gov't pay their rent, they bought a dog. Fukn priorities!

updated it for you..

Rika

McLovin 08-04-2021 10:40 AM

It is clearly unconstitutional.
Kavanaugh got burned on his dumb and unprincipled ruling. He assumed good faith by the Dems, which wasn’t a sensible assumption at this time.


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