But it’s not a quote.
If you have something to say, have the courage to come out and say it under your own name. Only pussies hid behind someone else’s name.

if you had a source for your claims, youd cite one. but you dont.

meanwhile, breakthrough infections account currently for .1% of the vaccinated, so the vaccine remains currently 99.9% effective, and higher than 90% (some suggest 98%) of current covid19 cases are of people who are unvaccinated:

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187?utm_source=facebo ok&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated&fbclid= IwAR3vVco3pkk_xFbSxM7hKOgrlps6oTB-8cVUGC07ypRUWd0an7H9iNF7l5I

the new delta variant is dangerous, it spreads even easier. and the faster we can kill off covid19, the less chance there is for another variant, one that the vaccine is not effective against appears, and we have to do this all over again. yes, do all of this, all of it, all over again.

get your shots. save us from having to do this all over again. the pandemic is over, if you get your shots.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP

I know you seem averse to doing any meaningful research CP, but I’m not doing it for you. Especially something simple like a vaccine on average taking about 5 years to be approved.

The vaccine doesn’t work against the new variants but get the vaccine and it all goes away. Lol. Sorry buddy but this isn’t going away anytime soon. We have had a flu vaccine for decades and many years it is about 50% effective due to the many variants of the flu. The vaccines can’t stop them all so doctors make an educated guess as to which ones will be more prevalent, sometimes they guess better than others. The flu is a form of coronavirus, the behaviors between the flu and CV19 are very similar. This will go away when people shut off the tv and media BS and go back to living life again.

The vaccine works well against the new variants.

I know you seem averse to doing any meaningful research, but I’m not doing it for you.

You have good knowledge on cars, but I can't figure out why you go crazy on nearly every other topic.

How come nobody is crying about a political thread posted in the wrong forum?

Are you feeling grumpy today? My name is next to the posting of modified quote, so you can attribute it to me now, if that makes you feel better. Jeesh…

I’m sure it would make the person you “quoted” feel better. Still don’t have the conviction to delete it and say your piece under your own name? Coward

One thing I really detest is being called a coward by strangers, and I do have the conviction of what I wrote. I edited the post accordingly, in case some dimwit would infer I did not want to own it.

They air their dirty laundry. Do some call outs. Name call and go about their business like nothing happened.

You're one old cranky sob.

FWIW, Al Gore lied! I created the internet in my down time while creating the new vaccine.

Cabmando needs to be banned now. Not got lying, but for creating the web and leading to this bull **** thread.

While the topic of this thread is controversial, it is not about politics or religion.

As long as we keep the politics out of the continuing discussion, I think it should remain here, in PPOT. If it devoles into political mud-slinging, then it will be moved.

And remember, calling people poopy-heads is still no bueno...

Carry on...

SmileWavy

PS: cabmando - I thought you created the Facebooks, and not the interwebs. I'm so confused...

^This.
And it's very poor form to use personal attacks in a logical discussion. (I have been guilty of same)

Some relevant material on the topic under discussion:

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Relevant? It's nonsense!

And if the spike protein is that dangerous, the risk exists with the vaccine as well as the virus. So the way the virus was spreading, you get the "cytoxic spike protein" by vaccine or by infection. No one so far has been shown to have immunity which prevents them from infection. Type O blood is the closest thing but it doesn't prevent infection but rather the person is able to better fight off the virus. That means the spike protein still existed within the person.

Yes! And that explains all the adverse reactions caused by the vaccine. They are, of course, not as severe as getting the virus itself, only because the spike protein load is orders of magnitude lower than when it is attached to a virus that replicates itself.

But the difference with a regular virus is that the spike protein is the nasty part that does all the damage, and the vaccination also puts it in the body. Only at much lower concentration, which hopefully goes to zero over time.

We don't know if the "adverse reactions" are vaccine related or the result of a hyper aware population reporting anything odd after being vaccinated. Some, like Porschegal have had very real adverse reactions while others simply mistake a natural immune response with an "adverse reaction".

The spike protein isn't the bad guy it's just the way the virus attaches to and enters the cell. The bad guy is the virus itself and the reaction or over reaction the body has to the infection.

The issue I have is that people say we shouldn't be vaccinating teenage people because they aren't at risk of serious issues if they get the virus. That's simply a ridiculous statement. If they're at risk due to the vaccine, they're equally at risk due to the virus. Teenage people are not immune to the virus.

So many things that do not add up in that video:
1. There is no mention of the research of Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman who laid the groundwork in mRNA technology. Dr. Malone had nothing to do with this research - yet he is taking the credit for inventing the vaccine? He's either lying, or taking credit for something he didn't fully develop.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/

2. "Serial entrepreneur" (the credentials given to Steve Kirsch, the man on the right) is not someone I would go to if I were seeking a deeper understanding of mRNA technology. I'd maybe consult. oh, I dunno, a scientist??? Same applies to someone with a PhD in Evolutionary Biology. Closer, but I would rather seek out a scientist who deals with infectious, communicable diseases.

3. Steve Kirsch mentioned that he witnessed two people who suffered complications after getting the mRNA Covid vaccine. Two people. That is a very miniscule sample set. Yes- there are people who have had complications from the vaccine, but those are what the scientific world calls outliners, and not the norm. As a matter of fact, my friend's wife has bells palsy which likely was triggered by the vaccine.

4. Dr. Malone refers to talking with individuals at the FDA. Never referenced a name or department - always referred to them as "they," "he," "she," ..etc. RED FLAG. When someone tries to authenticate their story using anonymous "name dropping" the probability that their claims are true is very low in my book.

5.. According to this article in Reuters, that video propagates false information:
Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-cytotoxic-idUSL2N2O01XP

Bottom line: there is no scientific evidence that what they are saying in your video has any truth to it.

I just wish the bastard would quit taking credit for all of my hard work in creating the mRNA vaccines! I'm gonna have to file a lawsuit!

naysayers/non vaxxers best get used to the idea of staying in their "home country".

Move this to PARF so that we may take our gloves off.

Yeah, but then I'm gonna get the "Reported posts" emails, folks are going to be called poopy-heads, then finger-pointing, then bans and counter-bans, followed by "...human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!" ;)

Wouldn't it be better to just keep it here when we can keep the politics out of the conversation, and keep it more civil? Um - don't answer that...

And that is why better minds than myself are in charge...
I just stick my hand in the blender full on.

(btw I would probably agree with most of the above regarding Malone. The details tend to sort themselves out)

Sorry I haven't been keeping up but are you still pimping Hydroxychloroquine?

Are you still denying Hydroxychloroquine?
Fauci didn't. Before he did.

Maybe it should be voted in to see what's in it?

Yep. But you're gonna have to help me with your reference to voting something in??

The word used in his reference wasn't voting but instead pass.

As in, you'll just have to pass your bowel movement to know what is in it.

Let’s vote on scientific research!! The data that is most popular and gets the most votes is “conclusive.”

I thought you created the whole idea of RNA, not just the vaccines?

It is part of the solution for early treatment of COVID, along with ivermectin, steroids, zinc….and should not have been suppressed by big Pharma to get emergency use of the vaccine. Many more lives could have been saved before vaccines became widely available. But there was an obvious agenda at play for pushing the vaccines and suppressing all the prophylactic treatments.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/hydroxychloroquine-does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19#:~:text=A%20National%20Institutes%20of%20Health ,benefit%20to%20hospitalized%20patients. Found to be equally effective. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1624672064.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1624672064.jpg

Something I have wondered about.

If someone has a bad reaction to a vaccine - let's say something bad enough to hospitalize them - what legal recourse do they have to obtain financial recourse to compensate them for their damages?

Also, are people require to sign a waiver when they sign up for a vaccination - releasing anyone from legal recourse, in the event of a bad outcome?

Let's just say that in the book they wrote about me I said let there be light. :D

The answer is: None.

There is zero liability for the pharma manufacturer. That was signed into law.

All the "vaccines" (except J&J) are not actually vaccines iirc.
They are genetic modifiers in the experimental stage and still currently for "emergency use only" per the FDA.
And the efficacy is still very questionable.

That is the troubling part.

Manufacturers are immune from civil lawsuits for most vaccines, under USC 300aa-22: Standards of Responsibility that was passed in the 80's. Covid vaccines under the PREP Act. An exception being willful misconduct. There are government programs that can used for compensation.

CIPC
https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/about

VICP
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html

OK thanks, guys.

Doesn't seem fair to me, but what do I know?

Maybe this is SOP.

I'll pay $10 to the person who best predicts what people will be quarreling covidwise in 2022.
I'll pay $100 to the person who best predicts what people will be quarreling covidwise in 2023.
$1000 in 2024... etc...


Post it here. If you win, remind me, and I will PayPal your a$$*.


*If I feel like it