Does that matter? We changed the definition of vaccines already. We can just decide what we want it to show and work backwards to the definition

Yes, it does. If you define efficacy as getting the disease (to me this means getting infected, but I could be wrong about that), that's only part of the story. Not getting hospitalized or dead is the more important goal, no?

Keep looking at your wake, steer by that. Look at the f'ing numbers in the OP...if you are in your 20's without other health issues, what would you do?

And, for the love of god, stop blaming the guy who fast tracked the vaccine: The Progressives ran against the vaccine, said they wouldn't take it until they won. Jesus.

Remember "open for business", "just like the flu", "masks don't work", "herd immunity is the key", Joe calling OMB a xenophobe for stopping international flights?

And, again, for the love of god, what is Joe-Joe doing NOW to help? How is that border thingy working out? How many Afghani's were vaccinated before we set them loose?

If we are again in crisis, we need to shut it all down again, right...football and baseball crowds, the works: No more "super spreader" events. Remember?

How do you want to move forward, what metrics will you use? How do we try and get ahead?

Your thoughts before this gets moved to PARF because Progressives hate math.

I responded to the OP in post #19. That chart applies to deaths from 1/1/2020 to 9/11/2021. Covid first hit around 1/1/2020, but action didn't seem to start until 4/2020 when it was recognized as a serious problem. There were somewhere close to zero cases on 1/1/2020, now there are over 40 million. I'm not seeing the percentage that ranges from 0.003 to 0.0012 as being too useful right now, do you? Plus around 70% of the US population has had at least one shot, so that will lower the death rate dramatically. If I was heathy in my 20s, I would get the shot. I'm not afraid of it. I have a tradition of getting the flu shot every year, as I don't like getting sick and not being able to work.

Are these questions directed to me or the OT forum?

If only we could have but one more thread about covid or vaccines :(

Tell this to my unvaccinated navy vet nephew in his early 30s currently sitting in a hospital on 10L of oxygen likely looking at permanent lung damage.

Just because you “survived” doesn’t mean your life will ever go back to normal. Spending a month in a hospital sure seems like a ****ty alternative to getting a shot in the arm.

Sorry about your nephew. I've been saying this for a long time...plenty of people who "survived" COVID have some pretty horrific health issues after the fact, some that may last for life. And not just in risky populations either, as your nephew's experience shows. This gets FAR too little press - everyone focuses on death. Wear a mask, get the shot, and stop pretending you know more than the experts after spending 30 mins watching some quack YouTube vid. It shouldn't be this difficult of a decision....

The jab does not keep you from catching, and more importantly spreading this. It does not appear to do a great job of keeping you out of the hospital even.

It is simply incredible to me how effective the propaganda campaign has been

Exactly. And if you’ve never been around someone with lung issues, it’s an ugly sight. I have an uncle that had bad COPD and eventually got a lung transplant. Before he got that though, it got to where he could only breath somewhat comfortable standing up. He literally wore the finish off a spot near their table where he would stand leaning against the kitchen table propping himself up. He did that for nearly a year, before he started the long recovery from having a lung transplant.


I hope we don’t see a rash of people needing lungs in the next several years, but the early reports on long covid and lung damage are scary as hell.

Sorry. I am.

What is next however, what is being done NOW to prevent the next Navy Vet from being sick?

Figure it out. That is what I am trying to do.

Sorry again, folks. I appreciate your concern for the dying and the sick: I have no one in my immediate life who has died from CV. I have spent a lot of time at my MIL's care facility, delivering everything. They are shutting down again.

So. What is next? How do we fix the nonsense.

I am not, again, anti vax. Get the shot.

Give it a whirl. Smart guy like you this is a lay-up.

You can't get the vax because your system reacts adversely, right? A mask is 90% (estimated) for preventing the wearer from spreading the virus. For you, I would recommend an N95 mask to protect yourself from inhaling the virus. I'd steer clear of indoor gatherings or even small outdoor crowds. I'd confirm you have quick access to monoclonal antibodies, which are purported to work 70-85% of the time. Your doctor might have some other preventative recommendations. Get a quality at home quick test, which should be available.

Again, focusing only on mortality is not very wise…lots of other health complications to worry about.

Per what data? Everything I see indicates the exact opposite. In my state, 97% of COVID hospitalizations are unvaccinated.

He doesn’t use data…he just takes a big whiff of someone’s foot and starts typing. Don’t waste your time.

Dude, I am in a controlled study. I have the best medical advice available.

Answer the question: What is next, what should be done...

We know where we have been.

That is funny!

The numbers are cooked. Look at Israel, or anyplace else with high jab uptake.

The stats are so gooned up in the US it is not possible to reliably know WTF is going on

Israel’s current vaccination rate is around 60%. The US is around 55%.

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