You are a supreme snowflake. A snowflake for the ages.

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I feel like Jordan Klepper when I’m reading and posting in these Covid threads.

I never understand anyone who mutes posts...like are you that thin skinned or easily offended that you can't even read the postings of someone you may dislike. Ridiculous IMO...

It’s funny because let’s say somebody blocks my comments, they immediately see them when you quote the comment, unless your are blocked of course. At this point Tobra may only see comments from Fintstone or Island. That’s his safe space.

What's even more absurd (than those who block) is that you think it so important for him (or others) to see your drivel. - not exactly strong thought thar.

Covid by the numbers? 1.

I have an Uncle that passed away early this morning from Covid. He was 65 years old and had been in the hospital since Labor Day.
He was not vaccinated and he is the first person in my family to die from this goddamn virus!!!
How do you deal with this?
No one to yell at and can't punch the ***** out of a virus. It's going to be a roller coaster of emotions today.
My Uncle will be missed!!!

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^^^^ Very sorry Marty.... may your uncle RIP.

One by one .... it matters.

Our first rate health care ICUs are maxed according to local news. I see thei

Marty, I'm sorry for your family's loss. It's compounded when you know that it probably could have been prevented. RIP.

I prefer the traditional word...he's a pussy. And kind of an idiot. The good thing is, I'm not really insulting him because he can't see this. Because he's a pussy. :)

^^^^ Very sorry Marty.... may your uncle RIP.

One by one .... it matters.

Our first rate health care ICUs are maxed according to local news. I see their leading Drs. pleading on TV.

These are nationaly reknowned facilities... NC is health care rich and I don't have a clue, nor do any of you PARF clowns compared to the experts in this state.

That's my take....

Thanks guys.
Yep, it probably could've been prevented which really makes me angry. If he had been vaccinated, maybe he would have pulled through this, but we will never know.

He went to a Birthday party for one of his grandchildren, turns out a girl there tested positive for Covid, a few days later he has Covid, less than a month later, he is gone!!!

I understand people don't want to be told they "have" to get the vaccine for one reason or another, but still, get the vaccine so that you have a fighting chance of survival if you do get Covid. I don't want another person to die from this virus!!!
Rest In Peace Uncle Kenny.


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Sorry for your loss of Uncle Kenny.

You are right that he had been vaccinated, maybe he would have pulled through, but maybe not.

According to the CDC the vax is not perfect for preventing death, https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm#F1_down

Here is their chart that shows more unvax'd die from this than vax'd (about 10:1)
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632503160.JPG

They don't show the percentage vax'd vs non-vax'd during that period. (much larger population of unvax'd?) (nothing to see thar)
But interestingly the percentage of vax'd deaths is on the rise, relative to the unvax'd.

We are told that with time away from the vax decreases the effectiveness. (boosters needed)

These vaccines are far from perfect, that is for sure. People who claim otherwise do not like to "follow the science" the numbers.

The bottom line is that getting vaxx'ed is the best we can do right now and it's about 100 times better than nothing...or horse wormer. You need to play the odds in life.

I’ll take the 10-11+ times chance of not getting seriously ill, clogging an ICU, and surviving by getting vaccinated. I’ll take the booster when I qualify early November, knowing my chances of a breakthrough infection and the consequences will drop even farther.

My wife knows a women that said she was never going to get the shot and never wears a mask. Her daughter is getting married this weekend. The women, her husband (father of the bride) and other daughter (maid of honor) all tested positive this week. Remains to be seen if they will attend the wedding. I'm thinking they probably will and make it not only a wedding but a super spreader event as well.

This is rich coming from you. Lol.

Terrible. So sorry for your loss.

By far the most powerful post in this ongoing thread.

what a ****ing shame.

it really is a shame. we could be done with this. we could be 100% back to normal. basically almost all covid-19 deaths at this point are preventable.

but we can't have nice things here in this country.

Thank you for all the condolences guys, I really do appreciate it very much.

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Sorry about your uncle Marty

No, you are wrong

Israel is right around 85%

It depends on how you measure it. Partially vaccinated, fully vaccinated, percentage of eligible population, percentage of total population.

Israel 67% vaccinated, 62% fully vaccinated of population
US 64% vaccinated, 55% fully vaccinated of population


From the NY Times tracker. Probably current, no date provided.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

No, it is not about 100 times better It's about 10x better and losing ground as more people get vax'd, and as more people are further away from their vax date.

Let's say, for the sake of illustration, that at one point 90% of the people are unvax'd and 10% vax'd... AND we see numbers that show 90% of the deaths are of unvax'd and 10% of deaths from vax'd. - How effective then is the vaccine?

Let's say that 100% of the population is vax'd. What then would be the percentage of the deaths of vax'd people?

See how that works?

Your argument is useless because it is based on made up numbers to support your argument. Try reading this and let us know what you think. It's from the NYT August 10, 2021:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html

In a state with a high vaccination rate, a higher percentage of breakthroughs may simply reflect that fully vaccinated people are a bigger chunk of the population, or that there are few hospitalizations and deaths overall. Imagine a state where just two people are hospitalized but both are vaccinated — breakthroughs would account for 100 percent of the hospitalizations in that state, even though these cases were very rare.
Assessing breakthrough rates

Some epidemiologists and state health officials instead recommend comparing how likely a vaccinated person was to be hospitalized or to die, compared with an unvaccinated person.

To do this, the Times used the number of breakthroughs and the vaccination rate over time to estimate rates of hospitalizations and deaths for each group in every state for which data was available.

In those states, people who were not fully vaccinated were hospitalized with Covid-19 at least five times more often than fully vaccinated people, according to the analysis, and they died at least eight times more often.

:rolleyes: Trying to show speeder a concept about percentages.

Am I wrong in saying that any CV deaths, when there is 100% of the population vax'd, will be 100% from vax'd people?

Am I wrong in saying that any CV deaths, when there was 100% of the population un-vax'd, those deaths were 100% from un-vax'd people?

THe point being that we have to know the % of the population vax'd & un-vax'd to understand the effectiveness of the vaccine, when presented as "90% of deaths are from unvaccinated, and 10% of CV deaths from vaccinated"

WHEN you hold that number (90/10) up against the ~50% vax'd that 10% death with vax'd is worse than 10% of the vac'd population ... more like 20% (read: the vax is not all that great. Better than nothing, but FAR from perfect)

First off, you are a moron. Second, nobody has claimed the vaccine to be perfect. It doesn’t have to be perfect. My guess is that you know this but you love being the Dr. Evil character on the web. My guess is you are waiting your turn to get the booster.

I'm not at all like you.

Keep GUESSING, keep advertising your idiocy.

Actually the vaccine manufactures have made the claim that 90% effective at NOT contracting the Chynah Virus.

And then there is Fauci.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632101696.jpg

Again, Scott, keep advertising your idiocy.

You’re using information that pre-dates Delta.

He uses whatever info out there that makes him feel cool. It’s pretty pathetic actually. Some of the posters here are really skeptical of the vaccine, I can tell. Not island. He’s most definitely vaccinated to the hilt. It’s just so fun to play the devils advocate in everything and it makes him feel cool.

And yet. lots of members dutifully continue to feed his trolling, day in and day out. The only way to win is to not play his game.

It's pretty simple here. The vaccine is not going to make anyone 100% invincible to this virus but it does give you a fighting chance of survival if you were to get the virus. Nothing is guaranteed in this life, in this world, but if you arm yourself with some sort of defense against the virus through a vaccine, then aren't you better equipped to defend yourself against the virus? I think so. It just seems simple to me, common sense. Vaccines are just a weapon to help you prevail against an ailment. Get the damn shot so you dont die!!! This thing doesn't care what political party you belong to, viruses don't discriminate between races either. Who gives a rat's a$$ about percentages of this or that, it doesnt matter.
I want people to live and to live their lives as they want, I swear to God Almighty I don't want anyone else to die from this damn blasted virus. I say get vaccinated to give yourself a fighting chance just in case you were to get the virus. I really like you guys here and dont want anything to happen to y'all. Thanks for reading my rant. Peace.

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^^^ I can agree with the above ... with a caveat. Odds are anyone will beat this virus without a vax also... and that's where statistics can mislead the gullible. I'll listen to health care providers and scientists here in NC... we have "our best" working on it ... not posting on Pelican... like me.

Liars, Damn Liars, Statisticians, Glenn, ... :D

If you are looking to defend against this virus then look to those who have survived this virus - the VAST majority of which did NOT have a vaccine. You will see that even 90 y/o's have survived this virus - none of them fat.

Hundreds of millions of people have survived this virus just fine without a vaccine. So ranting around, Pollyanna style, insisting that only the vaccine can give fighting chance... is ridiculous. Well, unless you are talking to the "at risk" population - asthmatic obese smoker... Those people should definitely do whatever they can to improve their situation. Vaccine, exercise, Vitamin D.... anything and everything, because this Chynah Virus is here to stay.

You two are ridiculously dull.