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Por_sha911 09-28-2021 05:00 PM

Please take your business somewhere else.
 
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Chris Sirianni typed four words in capital letters, hit print and taped the message to the front door of his restaurant. The printout said simply: "BE KIND OR LEAVE."

Restaurants and others in the hospitality business have long espoused "the customer is always right" and "all are welcome." Now, many are rethinking that philosophy thanks to a surge in toxic customers and poor behavior.

Mike McNamara, who founded the Hog Island Beer Co. in Orleans, Mass., posted a message on Facebook, along with hashtags #thecustomerisnotalwaysright and #goodvibesonly, telling customers who don’t have "good vibes" to "please find another place to spend your money."

"To the 97% of y’all who are awesome—thank you. To the remaining 3% of you, your mother called and she has a bar of soap for you to chew on."

He decided to say something publicly after a man in a large group became belligerent, badgering a teenage hostess to seat the party at an unavailable table. When Mr. McNamara intervened, saying the group would have to leave, he recalls the man asking, "Who the hell are you? I’m not done with her and I haven’t even started with you." Mr. McNamara responded that he was the owner. The group left.
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drcoastline 09-28-2021 05:30 PM

Bout time.

Baz 09-28-2021 05:40 PM

Need a big sign for all social media......

"BE KIND OR LEAVE."

Esel Mann 09-28-2021 06:05 PM

Actually needs a big giant sign i'm a small business owner that is excuses driven and not results driven and this is a one way street and i'm a giant sloth douche. The clown lets his employees take the first salvo for his excusery and lack of businessry? Sorry but for an owner too little too late. Needs to be front n center and take a public whipping.

craigster59 09-28-2021 08:08 PM

"If you have more than 2 requests on how you want one of our dishes served, go home and cook it yourself".

LWJ 09-29-2021 01:40 AM

I have this saying as a piece of art. It is a known New Orleans slogan.

oldE 09-29-2021 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Esel Mann (Post 11470203)
Actually needs a big giant sign i'm a small business owner that is excuses driven and not results driven and this is a one way street and i'm a giant sloth douche. The clown lets his employees take the first salvo for his excusery and lack of businessry? Sorry but for an owner too little too late. Needs to be front n center and take a public whipping.

Did you forget the green?:rolleyes:

Best
Les

KevinTodd 09-29-2021 03:36 AM

You civilians simply would not believe the mind-numbing amount of questionable behavior that occurs on a daily basis in the restaurant business. It had been getting progressively worse for years prior to the pandemic, but now it has become nearly untenable.

Instrument 41 09-29-2021 03:54 AM

News flash folks. Lets take Restaurant out of the conversation and input with ANY other type of business and the message of all owners would mirror this. Its not the institutions that are changing it is the public in general that is getting less kind and more self centered and entitled.

KFC911 09-29-2021 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LWJ (Post 11470387)
I have this saying as a piece of art. It is a known New Orleans slogan.

Yep... a local Cajun influenced restaurant/bar/music room had "Be Nice Or Leave" signs & doo-dads scattered all over years ago.

PPOT needs a sign :D

Seahawk 09-29-2021 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinTodd (Post 11470421)
You civilians simply would not believe the mind-numbing amount of questionable behavior that occurs on a daily basis in the restaurant business. It had been getting progressively worse for years prior to the pandemic, but now it has become nearly untenable.

I was a busboy, waiter and bartender for years in HS and college, other "service" jobs in the summers...even though this was in the Pleistocene Era when folks were nicer, I learned everything I needed to know about the underbelly of human nature from those jobs.

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 11470306)
"If you have more than 2 requests on how you want one of our dishes served, go home and cook it yourself".

I wish I had been able to say that!!!

masraum 09-29-2021 04:12 AM

I applaud this and hope that it takes over. There are a thousand and one videos out there of people being asses at businesses. I guess many years ago, when I worked in retail auto parts, I experienced a few of these folks. Only 2 or 3 stand out in my memory now after >25 years, and one of those was someone that attempted to steal something. Even then, they weren't as bad as some of the videos that I've seen recently.

I hope this trend gains momentum. I'd like the "Karens" of the world to not be welcome anywhere but at home.

RANDY P 09-29-2021 04:25 AM

Cust is right until they break policy, then customer is wrong.

rjp

cabmandone 09-29-2021 05:34 AM

I've been plenty upset at poor service or slow service but never take it out on the staff. If I don't like the service, I just don't go there again. People are too on edge these days.

cabmandone 09-29-2021 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11470450)
I applaud this and hope that it takes over. There are a thousand and one videos out there of people being asses at businesses. I guess many years ago, when I worked in retail auto parts, I experienced a few of these folks. Only 2 or 3 stand out in my memory now after >25 years, and one of those was someone that attempted to steal something. Even then, they weren't as bad as some of the videos that I've seen recently.

I hope this trend gains momentum. I'd like the "Karens" of the world to not be welcome anywhere but at home.

I went into the parts store the other day and told them their Co2 bottle caused my kegs to leak and I want a free refill. The guys who own the place are friends of mine and both laughed. I said "If your tank wasn't hooked up to my kegs, my kegs wouldn't have leaked the Co2 from your tank. Your tank caused my kegs to leak!"
My friend looks at his brother and says "Man we have stupid customers"

masraum 09-29-2021 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11470520)
I went into the parts store the other day and told them their Co2 bottle caused my kegs to leak and I want a free refill. The guys who own the place are friends of mine and both laughed. I said "If your tank wasn't hooked up to my kegs, my kegs wouldn't have leaked the Co2 from your tank. Your tank caused my kegs to leak!"
My friend looks at his brother and says "Man we have stupid customers"

We used to prank call each other. One of the guys called the store he worked at. "You owe me a new engine! I painted my engine with your high heat paint, and it caused my engine to over heat. I had to replace the engine and now you owe me."

Apparently, he had the guy flustered trying to deal with him and defuse the situation.

I had a guy come in once and tell me that we gave him defective brake pads, and now we owed him brake pads and new rotors. He'd managed to put the pads in backwards, pad material was facing the pistons. The pad material looked like someone had hit it with a round cookie cutter and the pad backing plate was trashed. "Sir, this damage is because you put the pads in backwards." He was surprisingly OK when I pointed that out. Usually, most folks try to distract from the situation by getting loud and obnoxious.

Another time, a guy called up, "I got X at your store. I installed it and that didn't fix the problem. I want to return it, but I can't find the receipt." I advised that without the receipt we couldn't give a refund. He got obnoxious and started *****ing and asked for the manager. "Actually, sir, I am the manager." His tone completely changed, calm and defeated. "Oh sheite. I effed up. I guess I'm really screwed now." I told him to bring it in and we'd see what we could do.

We had another guy come in, being a bit of a twat, not horrible, but definitely not engendering any goodwill. We told him that we couldn't help. He turned around in a huff and started to walk off. My buddy and I who had just been talking to him, in unison, in our most syrupy voices "Have a nice day." That pissed him off. He spun around, said something, and then stormed out.

fastfredracing 09-29-2021 06:09 AM

Even on my end, as a small one man repair shop . People come at me , like I am their server at Applebee's .
I put up with it for 30 years, taking into consideration, that the customer is always right, but over the last few, we have been systematically ghosting the bottom 10 % , and concentrating on those who are good to deal with , and we have forged out a good working relationship .
My wife came on board 3 years ago, she runs the office. Funny, the same people, who I always found unreasonable , and difficult to deal with, were driving her bonkers also .
We made a decision to weed those few out too . Life is too fking short, and its not like I am making 6 figures here .
I do my best to provide great service, but I will not be treated like the help in my own place. Bye felicia
We have a good thing going here . I want my last 10-15 years in the working world, to be a tad bit more pleasant .

Norm K 09-29-2021 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11470516)
I've been plenty upset at poor service or slow service but never take it out on the staff. If I don't like the service, I just don't go there again. People are too on edge these days.


You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat wait staff.

_

Zeke 09-29-2021 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 11470193)
Need a big sign for all social media......

"BE KIND OR LEAVE."

Or maybe on Pelican.

GH85Carrera 09-29-2021 06:36 AM

We had a few customers over the years make the front counter lady cry. The owner told one jerk to GTFO of the business and never come back when he was ranting at the front counter lady about something that was not our fault.

oldE 09-29-2021 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm K (Post 11470562)
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat wait staff.

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You got that right.
My wife waited tables in a nice restaurant in the summer before we got married. She advised me from her experience, "Money doesn't buy you manners.".

When I delivered customer service training, we spent a lot of time on dealing with customer complaints. I made them aware they would at some time have to use a phrase something like, "Sir(or madam). I would like to help you but I can't do that if you can't control your temper and your language."
I also told them they should have a conversation with their manager before they got into such a situation so they knew what sort of support they could expect. Life is too short to put up with abuse in the workplace. You wouldn't be expected to take it from a co-worker. You shouldn't have to take abuse from a customer.

Best
Les

Tervuren 09-29-2021 07:33 AM

There was probably a thread here after a local restraurant to me told 18 people to get out.
Maybe someone needed a snickers bar.
Restraurant doesn't seat until all party members are present.
Restraurant had line of others to take their places.

The security cam footage ended up being released.
When the owner came over, that was that.
Our rules or leave.

wilnj 09-29-2021 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11470516)
I've been plenty upset at poor service or slow service but never take it out on the staff. If I don't like the service, I just don't go there again. People are too on edge these days.


Agreed. Was out to dinner a few weeks ago and it was miserable. Drink order was wrong, entrees were slow and one was wrong.

We were polite to the server and she responded in kind, comped us drinks and the entree that was prepared incorrectly.

We bought the kitchen a round and I tipped the waitress 30% based on the total order amount without deducting for the comped meal but I won’t go back there.

flipper35 09-29-2021 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 11470554)
Even on my end, as a small one man repair shop . People come at me , like I am their server at Applebee's .
I put up with it for 30 years, taking into consideration, that the customer is always right, but over the last few, we have been systematically ghosting the bottom 10 % , and concentrating on those who are good to deal with , and we have forged out a good working relationship .
My wife came on board 3 years ago, she runs the office. Funny, the same people, who I always found unreasonable , and difficult to deal with, were driving her bonkers also .
We made a decision to weed those few out too . Life is too fking short, and its not like I am making 6 figures here .
I do my best to provide great service, but I will not be treated like the help in my own place. Bye felicia
We have a good thing going here . I want my last 10-15 years in the working world, to be a tad bit more pleasant .

I wish you were closer. I have a 2000 Durango that needs suspension work. The guy we had scheduled to do it ended up having surgery. It is very hard to find someone to do work these days. Especially on older motorcycles.

Danimal16 09-29-2021 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wilnj (Post 11470647)
Agreed. Was out to dinner a few weeks ago and it was miserable. Drink order was wrong, entrees were slow and one was wrong.

We were polite to the server and she responded in kind, comped us drinks and the entree that was prepared incorrectly.

We bought the kitchen a round and I tipped the waitress 30% based on the total order amount without deducting for the comped meal but I won’t go back there.

Good for you. Today's world generally does not teach service providers to have what I call "a service heart", at least not like in the "Pleistocene Era" (as Paul so eloquently put it); but there are many that naturally have a heart of service. It is not so much that they are so easy to identify when things go right, but they are at their best when things go wrong.

URY914 09-29-2021 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11470516)
I've been plenty upset at poor service or slow service but never take it out on the staff. If I don't like the service, I just don't go there again. People are too on edge these days.

Don't get upset with the people working at McDonalds. They work there for a reason and it's not because they couldn't get into med/law/astronaut school.

berettafan 09-29-2021 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11470516)
I've been plenty upset at poor service or slow service but never take it out on the staff. If I don't like the service, I just don't go there again. People are too on edge these days.


You haven’t been living in public assistance your entire life, and then suddenly had $1000 a month to go blow then used it to venture out into polite society where are your horrible behavior didn’t fit

fastfredracing 09-29-2021 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 11470679)
I wish you were closer. I have a 2000 Durango that needs suspension work. The guy we had scheduled to do it ended up having surgery. It is very hard to find someone to do work these days. Especially on older motorcycles.

Id tear that job up for you . I like suspension work. Love swinging the big hammer, and pushing ball joints in and out with the press. Those Durango's are pretty tough to get the lower ball joints in and out of the arm. Same with the pickups .

flipper35 09-29-2021 11:17 AM

I have the complete arms. Upper and lower and tie rod ends.

vash 09-29-2021 11:27 AM

Customer can be 100% in the right..still needs to be kind.

i worked in the restaurant biz. pretty much solidified the fact that customer service inst my strong suit. but it works both ways..i needed to be kind as well, and that didnt always happen. my bad. i know this now.

masraum 09-29-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by vash (Post 11470890)
Customer can be 100% in the right..still needs to be kind.

i worked in the restaurant biz. pretty much solidified the fact that customer service inst my strong suit. but it works both ways..i needed to be kind as well, and that didnt always happen. my bad. i know this now.

I worked at autoparts stores for about 3 years when I was younger. I tried to maintain a cheery, good attitude, but there were times, that I failed miserably. Then I spent about 4 years bartending. Again, probably not the best fit, but I managed to get better.

It's probably best if I'm not required to be THAT customer servicey. I can do a decent job 97-98% of the time.

greglepore 09-29-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm K (Post 11470562)
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat wait staff.

_

Indeed.

Tobra 09-29-2021 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm K (Post 11470562)
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat wait staff.

Or how the doctor treats the nurses and other hospital employees.


I almost got in a fight about 15 years ago. All I said was, "What would your mother think of you talking to a nurse that way?"


He apparently thought it was none of my GD business how he talked to the staff, but he was wrong, because he did it in front of me.

Mean people suck.

Zeke 09-29-2021 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wilnj (Post 11470647)
Agreed. Was out to dinner a few weeks ago and it was miserable. Drink order was wrong, entrees were slow and one was wrong.

We were polite to the server and she responded in kind, comped us drinks and the entree that was prepared incorrectly.

We bought the kitchen a round and I tipped the waitress 30% based on the total order amount without deducting for the comped meal but I won’t go back there.

That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Mixed messages sent. If I'm unhappy I just finish up, pay the bill as quickly as possible (leave cash in their stupid little folder if they use one) and walk out.

ALL the staff is responsible for the level of service and the quality of the product. It's a trickle down system, the servers tip out the bartender and bus service as well as the kitchen. Even if it's not not the server's fault, she deserved nothing for not noting the wrong drink and the wrong entrée. She's the patron's single contact in most circumstances and its her duty to take the order and serve the order taken.

This is not a case of the soup being cold.

Bill Douglas 09-29-2021 02:47 PM

Around here we are into leaving reviews on tripadvisor. If the place is bad I flame them. They deserve to lose customers. The owner/manager, if they are any good, will read the reviews and do something about it to avoid losing more custom. If lots of people leave reviews it's a good warning to others not to go there and waste your time and money.

And if the place is good I leave glowing reviews.

p911dad 09-29-2021 03:44 PM

Bill, I have an opinion that flaming a business to share your negative experience with others on social media is really kind of mean-spirited, especially if one posts negative things after one visit. The place might be having a bad night, chef quit, fish delivery was late, 2 waitresses didn't show up, etc. Restaurants are live enterprises and have their ups and downs, I feel that flaming someone's livelihood is negative in itself. When I have a problem or dissatisfied with a meal I take it directly to the owner or manager Give it face to face, not to their back. YMMV, just sayin"

flatbutt 09-29-2021 04:11 PM

I've never stiffed a waitress for poorly prepared food and, if their wait service is crap they get a smaller tip but they never get stiffed.

302340 09-29-2021 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 11470554)
... We made a decision to weed those few out too. ...

I have a friend who owns a repair shop as well and his expression is "I had to fire a customer today." Too many people with unrealistic expectations. ...


Lee

Zeke 09-29-2021 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11471185)
I've never stiffed a waitress for poorly prepared food and, if their wait service is crap they get a smaller tip but they never get stiffed.

Why?

Yes, the public is expected to pay a portion of a server's hourly wage, but if they are minimum wage types then the min wage should be good enough.

It used to be in CA that servers were exempt from min wage laws as they always seemed to make more even when their min wage wasn't equal to that of the rest of the labor force. That is no longer true. CA statewide min wage is $13/hr. Even a piss poor server is gonna make 18-20.

In many cases, I see a server less than 3 times during a meal. They take the order and possibly deliver beverages ahead of the meal. The meal is brought by a 'runner' who usually has no idea as to what plate goes to the guests and has to ask. That alone is cause for a 10% reduction in tips.

Oh, but if the original server walks up and asks, "How is everything, OK?" when I'm in the middle of a conversation, or worse yet, my mouth is full of food, that's another ding. They are simply not being polite nor observant and couldn't give a rat's ass about your meal.

If I do see the server the 3rd time in proper fashion (discounting their patronizing visit), it would be to 'sell' dessert. Yes, sell, also known as check building.

Furthermore, any delay in getting a check so that payment may occur is another ding. You say no to dessert you should have a check in no less than 3 minutes. Not 15, when I start to walk out, slowly, to show my contempt. I expect to pay, just get it over here so I can. That seems to work every time.

But I'm so fed up with the restaurant business that I haven't been out to dinner where one might expect a tablecloth in at least 8 years. That is other than being invited by the stepson for Mother's Day. I have no expectations whatsoever on a holiday and wouldn't pay to have dinner on a holiday if I can possibly avoid it. I have waited well over half an hour at a table on Mother's Day just to be served a salad and another half hour for the main course. I try to be polite under the circumstances.

And then another year passes.

Bill Douglas 09-29-2021 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by p911dad (Post 11471158)
Bill, I have an opinion that flaming a business to share your negative experience with others on social media is really kind of mean-spirited, especially if one posts negative things after one visit. The place might be having a bad night, chef quit, fish delivery was late, 2 waitresses didn't show up, etc. Restaurants are live enterprises and have their ups and downs, I feel that flaming someone's livelihood is negative in itself. When I have a problem or dissatisfied with a meal I take it directly to the owner or manager Give it face to face, not to their back. YMMV, just sayin"



It's to warn others not to be ripped off. In this country we have what's called the fair trading act and it's based around a product or service being "of reasonable value" and if it's very poor F' them and save the next person some money. So that's what I'm basing my comments on. Most of my reviews are glowing reviews. We are a no tipping country but I give tips for OK or better service, so I'm certainly not mean.


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