Better than the USA?

[Tervuren]

"feels".
Might have to do with our news loving blood as much as anything else.
Admittidly a handful of US neighborhoods have a disproportionate share of US issues.

I do know that in my time on this forum I saw post after post about how much more violent we are.
Yet the stats for that time were going the other way.(2020 excepted.)
How people "felt" was not in proportion to reality.
Reality was skewed by how they got their news.

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Just a guess, but the US is probably the least safe country as compared with all other developed Western countries. I think Japan is safer for everyone than all other Western countries. By a lot.

I know from researching Germany, German expats feel less safe in the US than at home.

[oldE]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Agree. Was that pertaining to this thread? About French?

Far from what I hear from travelers. But my understanding is that either dead center in a major city or far into the countryside things are much more congenial, for different reasons.


Been to Montreal. There is definitely a divide there. It may be subtle in most places of business.

Milt,
The 'learning' part was indeed about the thread. But, as you know it can apply to life in general.
Also I must say my wife and I are self-professed "country mice" so we tend to avoid large centres. The biggest centre we visited in Quebec was Quebec City, the largest centre in France was Bordeaux airport. Once we got our rental car, we were off to rural and small town South of France. I suspect our experiences might be indicative of small towns vs cities anywhere.

I might point out that to me at least, the USA embodies folks who can think outside the box, will give it a try and will often surprise you with something amazing.

Best
Les

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

"feels".
Might have to do with our news loving blood as much as anything else.
Admittidly a handful of US neighborhoods have a disproportionate share of US issues.

I do know that in my time on this forum I saw post after post about how much more violent we are.
Yet the stats for that time were going the other way.(2020 excepted.)
How people "felt" was not in proportion to reality.
Reality was skewed by how they got their news.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country

Homicide and Rapes per 100,000

United States 5.35 27.3
France 1.35 16.2
Germany 1.18 9.4
Spain 0.63 3.4

[masraum]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

I wish our children were safe enough to travel the way the Japanese children do.

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Got the data on that?
I'm curious if there is an actual difference or just a perceived one.

Originally Posted by flatbutt

no I don't but I do wish child abuse wasn't a threat.

My situation, was obviously very different as I was an American in Japan, and spent a lot of my time on base. But both times that I was there my parents were able to let me wander around downtown (very small town) by myself with no fear. The first time, I was 8 and 9, and it was the late 70s. The second time, I was 14 and 15 in the mid 80s. That time, due to my age, I had pretty much full reign, and wandered around off base extensively.

Here's a page that compares Japanese crime rates to US crime rates.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by masraum

My situation, was obviously very different as I was an American in Japan, and spent a lot of my time on base. But both times that I was there my parents were able to let me wander around downtown (very small town) by myself with no fear. The first time, I was 8 and 9, and it was the late 70s. The second time, I was 14 and 15 in the mid 80s. That time, due to my age, I had pretty much full reign, and wandered around off base extensively.

Here's a page that compares Japanese crime rates to US crime rates.

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Japan/United-States/Crime

Thanks for looking that up Steve.

WOOF!

The U.S. column is ugly.

I wonder how we compare to a third world country.

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Thanks for looking that up Steve.

WOOF!

The U.S. column is ugly.

I wonder how we compare to a third world country.

This is from the site I linked. First number is homicides, second is rape but I would question the validity of the statistics in some of these. Greenland surprised me though.

Mongolia5.6612.4
American Samoa5.40
United States5.3527.3
Greenland5.31
Zambia5.30
Lithuania5.256.3
Sudan5.162.9
Cuba4.99
Kenya4.872.1
Angola4.85

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

One for the funny bin.
I like the /in-other-news/ in the URL.

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/in-other-news/260919/ktaka-organisation-calls-feminism-cancer-performs-puja-to-eradicat.html

Funny and sad.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Just a guess, but the US is probably the least safe country as compared with all other developed Western countries. I think Japan is safer for everyone than all other Western countries. By a lot.

I know from researching Germany, German expats feel less safe in the US than at home.

I'm going to guess that a lot of that has to do with fear of the unknown and perception based on news and/or movies.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Thanks for looking that up Steve.

WOOF!

The U.S. column is ugly.

I wonder how we compare to a third world country.

Probably impossible to tell due to the nature of third world countries.

Originally Posted by wilnj

This is from the site I linked. First number is homicides, second is rape but I would question the validity of the statistics in some of these. Greenland surprised me though.

Mongolia5.6612.4
American Samoa5.40
United States5.3527.3
Greenland5.31
Zambia5.30
Lithuania5.256.3
Sudan5.162.9
Cuba4.99
Kenya4.872.1
Angola4.85

There's probably a big lack of reporting of crimes to authorities, and also a lack of availability of statistics of what is reported. So if numbers are available, they probably look bad for us, but that's probably because we see a fraction of what's going in third world countries.

[1990C4S]

More than two political parties.

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by masraum

Probably impossible to tell due to the nature of third world countries.


There's probably a big lack of reporting of crimes to authorities, and also a lack of availability of statistics of what is reported. So if numbers are available, they probably look bad for us, but that's probably because we see a fraction of what's going in third world countries.

Right. That just serves to move us further down the list and create distance from those 3rd world countries but it doesn’t close the gap to other 1st world countries.

[Tervuren]

What does close the gap is to start looking at neighborhoods within the US.
A disproportionate portion of US crime happens within a handful of neighborhoods.
It does still reflect on us as a country that in decades we've not addressed it.

Outside of those areas much of the US is quite safe.
I would consider it safe for kids to travel throughout much of the US.
Some places, nope, don't go.
Especially at night.
That said, there is also a maturity gap.
Compare the age of consent laws of Japan to the US.
Japan is 12 or 13. Much of the US is somewhere between 16 or 18.

Originally Posted by wilnj

Right. That just serves to move us further down the list and create distance from those 3rd world countries but it doesn’t close the gap to other 1st world countries.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Crime in the United States, 2019 FBI

[Tervuren]

If one is in certain parts of the US; it gets MUCH MUCH WORSE than that map would indicate.
On the other hand, if you aren't in select parts of a handful of cities things are MUCH MUCH better than that map would indicate.
When it comes to crime rates one is best off researching neighborhood stastics of where one intends to be.
And that applies to any country.

I've been to too many places within the US to list, and several times to several different places in European countries.
On top of that an extensive network of people from online games and forums.

With all that knowledge, the more places one goes; the greater the differences one finds even within the same country or region.
And also, the more well traveled one is, the more one willl find that people can be the same the world over.

We all start as humans.
How we interact with others influences how they in turn will interact with others and us.
Each of us has considerable control beyond imagining to make the world a better place.
It just takes unlocking the knowledge and putting it into practice.

That said, you'll have different influence resistances with different people.
Some might have resisttances of 99.99999....%
Some might be 76.24%

Pick your time wisely.

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

What does close the gap is to start looking at neighborhoods within the US.
A disproportionate portion of US crime happens within a handful of neighborhoods.
It does still reflect on us as a country that in decades we've not addressed it.

Outside of those areas much of the US is quite safe.
I would consider it safe for kids to travel throughout much of the US.
Some places, nope, don't go.
Especially at night.
That said, there is also a maturity gap.
Compare the age of consent laws of Japan to the US.
Japan is 12 or 13. Much of the US is somewhere between 16 or 18.

I would imagine the same applies to other countries as well.

[David]

Originally Posted by wilnj

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country

Homicide and Rapes per 100,000

United States 5.35 27.3
France 1.35 16.2
Germany 1.18 9.4
Spain 0.63 3.4

What's with Sweden (63.5) and all the rape'n going on? (using my Norm McDonald voice)

[wilnj]

Originally Posted by David

What's with Sweden (63.5) and all the rape'n going on? (using my Norm McDonald voice)

I’m guessing it has to do with immigration.

[Tervuren]

More specific than that.
Non assimilating immigration.
A breakdown of immigration itself between Sweden and surrounding countries reveals more significant differences in who was let in as opposed to how many..

Originally Posted by wilnj

I’m guessing it has to do with immigration.

Originally Posted by wilnj

I would imagine the same applies to other countries as well.

Yes and no.
To step back twenty years, I doubt the worst crime areas in say, London, would compare with say, Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit.
Could be wrong, maybe there are places in European countries where the scale moves from per 100,000 to per 100 and still have multiple crimes.
Not saying it isn't a problem.
When talking about personal safety where and what time one occupies matters more than national averages.

[Tervuren]

I've got one.

Country :India

Thing the US does stastically worse: Divorce Rate.

Difference:
US glorifies feelings based relationships.
India heavily relies on merit based reltationships.

Given how much of the original post and ongoing discussion revolves around matters of policy I'm not sure why this wasn't started in the correct subforum.
Countries do not stamp out exact clones.
Differences exist within the US and other countries.
Comparing by country isn't a productive line of reasoning.
Both Real Madrid and Barcelona have soccer teams.
Both are in Spain.
The difference between the culture of their soccer teams and fans?
Big, very big.
Admittedly some countries are stricter than others and have less neighborhood variance and greater intrusiveness of top level government.
But even those countries have their rebels.

It would be more productive to look at specific cultures or communities and observe something of value.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

Given how much of the original post and ongoing discussion revolves around matters of policy I'm not sure why this wasn't started in the correct subforum.


It would be more productive to look at specific cultures or communities and observe something of value.

Pretty much all of this