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There is some talk about Pa, and neighboring states dropping emissions testing
I don't know all the details just yet, but from what I gather, something like 98% of cars pass, and they found the whole program largely ineffective
My father shuttled a car down to another shop for me this morning, and the station owner was filling my dad in Here it is all just obd2. No check engine light, and gas cap is good= pass. Check engine light on= fail I was seriously thinking about taking in emissions testing, even though I am in a non emissions county, we are close to the line, and a good deal of our clients need it . My assurance officer that works for the state, always talks me out of it, and has been telling me for years, that they will eventually drop the whole program . |
Emissions testing was phased out a couple of years ago here in WA, no complaints from me!
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We've never had emissions testing in Michigan.
If it will roll down the street...it's plateable. |
They might still keep the visual inspection part. IDK.
No good reason to do the rollers test on later OBD cars. If the computer is happy then the State is happy. |
I have been going to an independant here in NJ for years, much easier then the state inspection and friendlier. All he cares about is no check engine light. Then he tests the gas cap. If that is good he does the state inspection. In and out five minutes $40.
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Yep, as far as I am concerned, no check engine light, visual inspection and gas cap tests good, that car is running clean .
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Here in NJ, any vehicle older than 1993, does not require any type of inspection. Newer than '93 requires an emissions inspection. Which makes absolutely no sense. ( not that I'm complaining...)
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(aka motherinlaw) (That was what I was taught) The basic idea of cleaner vehicles is essential for basic standards of public health. Even more so in condensed and congested areas. Traffic flow engineering and availability of public transportation plays an immense part in local emissions plus quality of life. I have often found them to be very counter-productive. I still notice that one stinky diesel delivery truck a block ahead despite my diminished smell. But the implementation of reasonable and consistent policy has often been counter-productive. |
I get the point. Years ago, it probably made a difference, pre-OBDII, you could have cars that barely ran and rolled coal (despite NOT being a diesel). It also wasn't uncommon to see cars that look like they'd been run until they had run off their last legs and then had those legs wired back on.
I can imagine, especially up north with the snow/salt, cars might not last long enough to get that bad. The county where I live now, there's no emissions inspection which surprised me when I found out. I guess that's a benefit of living in the country. For the past 25 years, the inspections (safety and emissions) have been sniffer (until OBDII). Since then, it's CEL, gas cap, wipers, lights, tires, horn, and E-brake. |
haha, you would be correct . Mechanics don't need no grammar lessons
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How is the state going to make money off it if there is no emissions testing?
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I am confident they will find a way to continue to fleece us in some way or another to make up for the loss of revenue
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In Portland OR, emissions testing is simply sniffer in the tailpipe, takes 5 minutes every 2 years.
If there was no testing, I think some people would start abusing it - pulling catalytic convertors etc. |
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You can't just turn off the CEL if you've got one and then go test, because you have to go through a fairly long driving cycle before your ECU goes to "READY" after you turn the light off. I assume the theory is that if you have a problem, then the light will come back on before you complete the required cycle of driving. |
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In Texas the state doesn't make money off testing, just the service station doing the testing.
Back in the day, headlight adjustment was part of the inspection. Too many stations failed almost everyone so they could charge $10-15 more to adjust the headlights. That's gone now. On a side note: Texas gas stations in nonattainment counties (big cities) had to have gas vapor capture devices on all gas pumps. These were the accordion hoses around the fuel nozzle. They went away a few years ago when the cars started doing that themselves. It's much easier to gas up in Houston now. |
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Drive Cycle completion results were specific to each manufacturer. (drive at WOT x many times, cruise at x mph at x rpm for x minutes, ec) And all cycles must be completed to pass OBD2 smog. Only insiders knew what actually tripped them. Separate and additional paid software was required for the scanner to scan manufacturer codes.. But only if that scanner was "certified". |
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I remember a while back (10y?) when the inspections were $38.95 paid to the gas station. I don't remember the exact cost now, but I think it's $12-18, but then when you pay for your yearly registration, haven't they added $20-30 to our yearly registration? |
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MCs here haven't been inspected at all since 2010. Might cars be next?
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We had emissions testing up here from 1999 until 2019 give or take. At the beginning the cars were tested on dynamometers, later on the vehicles were plugged into the obd port.
It used to be around $35, later on until the end of the program there was no fee. |
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Steve (Masraum) has Texas almost right. I'm not going to go through the fine points, too tired.
His inspection is now $7.50 per year. Tires, wipers, lights, brakes, horn, the essentials. Mine too. Some non-attainment counties used to run pre OBD2 cars on a treadmill. They did my LandCruiser when I lived in Dallas County, but he only put it on the treadmill because he saw I had yanked the front driveshaft, otherwise he could not have, full time 4WD. Normally, the test would have been a TSI, or Two Speed Idle test. Austin, Travis County is a non-attainment county, but no treadmill, TSI. Anyway, Texas has been talking about dumping the program for many years. I have $7.50, and don't care what they do. |
Living in South Carolina, the last 21 years, we’ve never had any type of inspection.🙌🏽
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The lower income will not replace their cats after they are stolen by the low lifes. The street racers will pull their cats for straight pipes. The indifferent will not bother to repair their emissions systems. That’s more than 0.01%. Sounds unlikely? As I drive around Portland, it seems like every day I see more cars with expired plates, out of state and expired plates, and no plates at all. It’s a common sight. I also see more cars that are beater trashboxes, broken windows, missing body panels, maybe lived in, full of crap and trash and sometimes little orange plastic caps. Also a common sight. What I never see is cops pulling over these obviously illegal cars. In fact, I never see cops pulling anyone over. I also see donut marks in intersections, more and more. We’ve been having street racing and burnout fest, dozens of cars and hundreds of people closing off streets and intersections at night and going wild. Only recently have the cops started trying to shut this down. So, yeah, people will pop off their cats, and advertising that its all fine with no enforcement is going to be like when our previous mayor told everyone it was fine to camp on public streets - and we have a growing air pollution problem here. |
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My last emissions test they put it on the rolling road/dyno and put the sniffer in the tail pipe. They said all 2004 and older. What's the purpose? I thought that was the whole reason for OBDII come smog check time. I think Colorado wants to mimic California and make it harder for everybody. |
I've been looking for a VW since I sold my daily back in July.
Seems like a good 60%-70% of the ones I look at on FB Marketplace have a cat-delete downpipe installed. I suppose since they're VWs the light is on anyway, what's the difference? I always thought VWs should have a at least two digit counter next to the light. No testing in my part of WI, I think they have it around Milwaukee and Madison but I could be wrong. Every Chrysler minivan over about 5 years old would be off the road if they tested here. |
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There are pro and cons to keep the testing in place. I haven't formed an opinion on it as yet. |
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Id bet the number of people who would tamper, and defeat emissions devices would be very small and insignificant .
I am required to do a visual emissions inspection as part of the safety inspection even though we are a non emissions county . It is a fairly rare occurrence when I find a cat removed, or egr's plugged etc. The diesel guys do it , and I see the occasional turbo tuner car without a cat , but it is actually pretty rare . I think the worry of the masses defeating their emissions devices if there is no more testing is honestly not a valid worry. |
My '20 Taco doesn't need to be inspected until '25. Yes, I can be trusted to keep it in proper condition but 5 years is a bit of time.
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In California, my '03 M3 just has to undergo the OBD-II diag check - no dyno testing for it anymore. That's the only car I own that's in the window for smog testing.
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IIRC from twenty years ago California used a moving 25yr exemption system.
"Enhanced testing " i.e. real-world dyno equipped facilities using the 16-pin OBD2 port connected directly to the government was the trend starting from the SF Bay Area and LA and working outwards. The talk then was about people buying the diesel Buick Regals which were replaced with gasoline engines. Whatever. The wrong brand new cat or air cleaner would fail California smog even if the tailpipe blew clean as a whistle. "Gold Star" "Test Only" stations would be the next step before direct DMV testing and paperwork. I had a car at one of those Gold Star facilities fail my car because of a single kinked vacuum line. I questioned further. All the print-outs were in spec. They wanted $400 to fix the problem... I mentioned I was a MM student almost smog-certified and that my night teacher worked directly with CARB. And then all of a sudden it was a $50 problem...a little correction fixed it all.. Faith in the system is what I lost that day. |
Inspections used to be all about vehicle safety.
They couldn't care less now... . |
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