A solution to bad behavior in the air
 

I searched and did not find this topic anywhere on OT so here we go.

I just read of another unruly airline passenger.
This involved assault on people and the perp generally making an a$$ of themselves.
Of course, the police were waiting on the ground to take the miscreant into custody.

This seems to happen all the time these days and should not be tolerated.

The obvious solution, anyone who acts in a manner that requires restraints or the involvement of law enforcement, should be added to an industry wide no fly list.

No government involvement so no mandate.

Fly somewhere and act up, find an another means of transportation in the future.

Having to take a train, the bus, or a ship if overseas to get home, would instantly fix the problem.

Or 90 days in jail per offense.

Both.

I believe they pretty much get added to the no fly list as standard procedure.

I've seen the videos too and can't figure out why some people go bad-**** crazy about following the rules for the next 1-2 hours of a flight.

No, it may have an impact but it won't fix it.

You are asking irrational people to come to a rational value proposition.

May as well try to make a cat bark like a dog.

You might be right.

Rob O'Neil, the former Seal that is cited as killing Sammi Laden, is on a Delta no fly list. Something about not wearing a mask.

https://www.wrdw.com/2020/08/21/delta-bans-bin-laden-killer-for-not-wearing-a-mask/

The only place I have to go these days is to visit my mother about 1,500 miles away. Until the bad behavior and the mask requirements stop, I will be driving. Dang sure won't be flying Southwest cattle cars anymore for sure.

The FAA website says there are 45,000 (!) flights a day that they handle.

Pretty low odds that they flight you're on will have a wacko on it.

But if there is the video will probably show up on line and people will think this happens all the time.

Yer now a member of the Airlines Band ... still won't fix stooopid, .... but more Cobell :D

It's evident that airport operators and airlines care more about the money they make from serving alcohol than they do about the well-being of their employees and customers.

Stop serving alcohol on flights (and in the gate area of airports) and I'd wager that somewhere approaching 90% of this sort of behavior would disappear.

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There was another thread on this subject and I said the same thing there I will say here.

Charge Greyhound prices for plane seats and this is what you get.

The lowest common denominator is now flying, there is no more elegance in air travel.

I should have said it isn't just the bad behavior. Air travel has turned into a painful event. People board planes with way more crap than they are allowed, especially women. A purse, another bag possibly two, then usually lunch and a huge drink. Of course those folks are usually the last to board and seated in the rear of aircraft bumping into everyone on the aisle as they saunter to the back.

I try to sit on aisle for the room. I'm not huge but tall enough and just want the extra space. So when the bathroom visits begin mid flight about 90% of people are compelled to grab every seat back while going down the aisle.

I got spoiled a long time ago when planes were never full. My first international was from San Francisco to London on a Pan Am 747. I was in the back but it was fairly empty. The flight attendant got on the intercom and said that the flight was not full so we were free to spread out and get a row to ourselves. I got in the center section, raised all the arm rests and had 6 seats that became my bed. The good old days.

Exactly what I was thinking when typing out my other response. When pajamas became acceptable for air travel people's behavior went into the sewer.

Both plus an BIG fine.

Something that will remind them each payment of that bill they really screwed up.

^^^^^^This.

I'm more amazed every day by how many people make bad decisions.

One I notice a lot is car damage. Look at who has car damage and who doesn't, I think there's a strong correlation to their other life decisions.

For example: we have 24 hour security guards at work. Nothing against security guards, I was one for a short period in college so I could get paid to sit at a desk and study, but people who make a career out of it, may not make the best life choices. Ever so often I'll see that a guard got a new (used) car. The car is usually in pretty good condition. Everyone of them will have a new dent in short order and after a few months, more serious damage. Coincidence or bad luck? I don't think so.

Just open the door and throw them out. It's going to suck whether you're on the tarmac 12 feet up or at 35k feet.

Problem solved.

^^^ Ala D.B. Cooper style....without the chute.

Some here would say that people should be allowed to open carry on flights. You know, to de-escalate things..... ;)

One bag, backpack-sized, is all you can bring onboard per person. That is it. The rest is checked baggage.

80% of the problems are solved....see you at the carousel.

The other 20% of the problems are alcohol related.

I thought this was going to be the solution from the OP.
See ya bucko!!

Open the door at 35K and see who doesn't suck :D!

Absolutely...for faster boarding and deplaning...Also how about boarding by Window, center, then Aisle to speed things up and minimize shuffling?
Slightly wider seats & no reclining would cut on other triggers too.

On a recent flight I had to help a lady heave up her huge luggage, and I'm sorry, aside from doing the polite thing, I was thinking "if you can't lift it, don't take it to the cabin".
The other thought was that the flight attendant's a$$ should not be wider than the aisle and whack every passenger going up and down the plane...

^^^^^
Rules that I totally believe and adhere to. Incredibly frustrating waiting on people to board plane and put their crap in the bins. Worse still is when they can't lift the crap they brought on board and EXPECT help.

If the flight attendants need fire proof pantyhose because their thighs rub together they shouldn't be trying to fit down the aisle.

One of my daughter's fav movies View from the Top. Flight attendant training

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From the same film


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A quick Goog search:

Just refuse to wear a mask- $3000

Interfering with a crewmember, which is a pretty broad definition:

Penalties
Assault. Assaulting a crewmember is punishable by up to 20 years' imprisonment, and a fine of up to $250,000. If a dangerous weapon is used, the defendant can be imprisoned for life.

(18 U.S.C. § 3571, 49 U.S.C. § 46504.)

Interference. The maximum civil penalty for interfering with a crewmember is a fine of up to $25,000. (49 U.S.C. § 46318.)

Fast loss of pressure doesn't discriminate, unfortunately.

This is exactly how it works...

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You do realize we were kidding?

No, no I didn't.
I honestly thought that throwing people out of an airplane at 35000 feet was normal.

SmileWavy

Because they are acting as they always do, and their normal life. Some of these people or simply poorly raised, ignorant little *******s that have no respect for any authority, or any rules.

Watching any old episode of Cops, if you see a car called to an apartment house for a domestic dispute, you’ll see this behavior every time. Nine times out of 10 it’s a fat young woman.

Why am I not surprised by your over generalized response to who does these things?
Plenty of videos show middle aged skinny men and women who seem to think the rules don't apply to them, but you can believe what you want. :rolleyes:

Sounds like I’ve watched more episodes of Cops than you have.

I’m aware than *******s come in all shapes and sizes and every other characteristic.

There are a few demographics that are over represented in these problems. That’s all I’m gonna say.

Things are different in Florida, man.

That has a familiar ring to it.

It typically takes a lot of flack for the crew to get fed up enough to recommend a passenger be put on a do not fly list.
Unfortunately, that list is only on that airline. The "do not fly" should include any and all airlines. Period.
Zero tolerance

Air travel has been a roast, a least in steerage, for a long time.

One of the gals I dated in flight school was also a flight student. She had been a flight attendant and decided to move up front and move the sticks. She is still flying for one of the majors, set to retire in a few years.

She went to the CH-46 RAG in San Diego and a lot her flight attendant friends lived in the area and flew out of Lindbergh. Their stories were unbelievable, even back in the 80's.

After 9/11, so much changed that made the whole commercial flight experience a complete grind and the TSA and the airlines have all been complicit, including charging for luggage which has people trying to take more crap into the cabin area than Hannibal took over the Alps.

I also know a number of airline pilots and they tell me everyone is on edge, "you can sense it..."

Since I live two hours from the nearest large airport, I'll drive rather than fly if the drive is ten hours or less. It pencils out, trust me. I have at various times flown 3 times a month, often 4. I know all the tricks and efficiencies, how to best navigate the entire experience, trust me, but I hate it. I will be flying to Tucson in January, flying for the forst time in years. I am trying to arrange meetings accross the country so I can drive:D

Some the recommendation in this thread I had not considered but have been spot on.

Helped by stimulus and unemployment money paid out in a BIG way.

Daniel Tosh did a bit where he said 'i apologize for ticket prices but i don't want to perform in front of people who could only afford to pay $10 to get in'.

Probably true. I mostly watch PBS. ;)

You still studying your dad’s National Geographic magazines, too?

Wider seats is something you hear a lot of today but the fact is that, at least on the 737 workhorse, the dimensions of the fuselage width, which determines the available space for seats, hasn't changed since they started building it. Seems the people complaining the most about it should look in the mirror more often.