I Blame My Mother

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When I burned the house down with my parents in it, I told the judge that I blame my Mother for ignoring all my pleas for help.

Finally America's situational excellence has caught up with them..Denial of knowing your child is exhibiting criminal tendencies is no longer an excuse...now parents have to engage with their children on an emotional level and can no longer deny nor sweep under the rug that Ethan just isn't a misunderstood child.. Now parents are being held responsible for what amounts to criminal indifference.. Just ask the Crumbley's..

The school also bares responsibility, they should have held firm and Suspended lil Ethan. Pending the the parents taking the situation seriously, taking responsibility and taking action. The parents did none of that.

The first question that should have been asked of Ethan is why do you need help. What is going on with you? No body seemed to care about how Ethan felt to even ask. You would think that his parents would care. But they didn't...an in that sense of nobody care about me not even my parents comes a sense of emptiness and nihilism...Which can lead to bad things happening.

I would even surmise that his parents ignoring the graphic pictures he had drawn which caused them to be summoned to the school was the final act that pushed him over the edge. Well I will show you, I will do something that you can't ignore..

I don't expect any of you to take what I have said here seriously or to heart, American society is one of denial and irresponsibility..you can't be bothered. Now you are reaping what you have sown..Expect a lot more of the same.

[livi]

Agreed under certain circumstances. Here in Swedistan the issue of parental responsibility is by and large a cricket farm. We are gold medalists in Europe with gun shootings and murders. With very few exceptions its non ethnically Swedish youngsters in the age of 14 - 20 years. They get off with a basic slap on the wrist in our ignorant system. The parents always blame socioeconomic factors. They want more money. Which of course will solve absolutely nothing. There is no economic price on morality. It needs to be taught from very young age.

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Originally Posted by livi

Agreed under certain circumstances. Here in Swedistan the issue of parental responsibility is by and large a cricket farm. We are gold medalists in Europe with gun shootings and murders. With very few exceptions its non ethnically Swedish youngsters in the age of 14 - 20 years. They get off with a basic slap on the wrist in our ignorant system. The parents always blame socioeconomic factors. They want more money. Which of course will solve absolutely nothing. There is no economic price on morality. It needs to be taught from very young age.

Look at the You Tube vids Jordan Peterson Nightmare...which is paraphrasing of CG Jungs AION. I had thought that I have been around the block on this stuff so no sweat...but I think it was after #4 vid...that all the numbers just seemed to cascade down causing tossing and turning..reaching a conclusion that in the absence of a moral foundation humans are want to commit unspeakable depravity. We do it in the name of the State, an Ideology or science and tech...We make them into a religion..

What is coming will make the NAZI's look like saints..

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by tabs

The school also bares responsibility, they should have held firm and Suspended lil Ethan.

13 year old around here from well heeled parents said "I'm going to get a gun permit" in the context of being angry at another thirteen year old talking to his girlfriend at school.

School bounced him out for ten days within minutes of saying it. "Come get your kid".

[Zeke]

What is this? Are you kidding me?

[stevej37]

[ckelly78z]

I think when Ethan, and his parents met in the school office only hours before the shooting, perhaps the school should have had the local police escort the young man out of the school, and taken him to the station for some questioning/evaluation. Rather than allowing his parents to refuse to acknowledge the problem, and not take him home, he could have gotten some professional help just in time.

Hindsight/20/20

[pwd72s]

Ethan just the latest example. Years ago, it was Kip Kinkle here. Folks had bought him guns because "finally something he showed an interest in".

But they weren't prosecuted...nope.

You see, he killed them both before taking off for school.

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by tabs

When I burned the house down with my parents in it, I told the judge that I blame my Mother for ignoring all my pleas for help.

Finally America's situational excellence has caught up with them..Denial of knowing your child is exhibiting criminal tendencies is no longer an excuse...now parents have to engage with their children on an emotional level and can no longer deny nor sweep under the rug that Ethan just isn't a misunderstood child.. Now parents are being held responsible for what amounts to criminal indifference.. Just ask the Crumbley's..

The school also bares responsibility, they should have held firm and Suspended lil Ethan. Pending the the parents taking the situation seriously, taking responsibility and taking action. The parents did none of that.

The first question that should have been asked of Ethan is why do you need help. What is going on with you? No body seemed to care about how Ethan felt to even ask. You would think that his parents would care. But they didn't...an in that sense of nobody care about me not even my parents comes a sense of emptiness and nihilism...Which can lead to bad things happening.

I would even surmise that his parents ignoring the graphic pictures he had drawn which caused them to be summoned to the school was the final act that pushed him over the edge. Well I will show you, I will do something that you can't ignore..

I don't expect any of you to take what I have said here seriously or to heart, American society is one of denial and irresponsibility..you can't be bothered. Now you are reaping what you have sown..Expect a lot more of the same.

I am not up to speed on what the parents did or didn't do prior to the meeting at the school? I don't know if there were warning soigns or not? Was the gun a menas to try and engage him in something? I don't know.

I am also not sure how the gun was in the kids posession undeteced by the parents?

All that being said I agree with everything you said.

[tadd]

So which is it? Zero tolerance, or not? Remember the clock bomb kid?

How about the latest splash in the pan of the girl who was handcuffed and taken from school. Mother went straight to CNN. However, the picture drawn was never shown, but enough to get the school to call the police. No image, but the content was described as:

He said the drawing depicted a girl holding and pointing a gun “with a severed head at her feet. Your client also wrote a clear message addressed to two classmates by name.”

The message included foul language, including, “F*ckin’ days are over NOW.”

From here: https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/11/10/response-10-year-olds-arrest-hpd-says-offensive-drawing-was-credible-threat/

What is missing is the ability for the school to get rid of some kids. For two long they have had to taken everyone by law. FINALLY there is a crack in the door and the worst of the folks that shouldn't be in school can be ejected.

[T77911S]

the school dropped the ball.

there needs to be training for teachers and staff on signs to look for and then WHAT to do about it,
yes the teachers did their job.
there also needs to be a check list of questions that need to be asked.

the parents did not take the kid then they should have called the police.
the kid should not have been allowed back in class.


there was a kid un my daughters class that made some allegations of killing or something along those lines,
the kid was never allowed back as far as I can remember.
this was probably 10-15 years ago

[pwd72s]

I'm guessing, but probably an educated guess...that all of these school shooters have being bullied in common.

[KFC911]

The school may have dropped the ball but the parents screwed up royally.... WTF were they thinking ... or not thinking?

And yes... I grew up with both grandfathers having a loaded 12 ga leaning in the corner ... shot one at nine on Thanksgiving day.

Times change...

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

I'm guessing, but probably an educated guess...that all of these school shooters have being bullied in common.

Here in NZ we tend to sort things out in a massive fist fight. Then tend to become best friends afterwards - sounds odd I know, but it seems to work out well.

[drcoastline]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

Here in NZ we tend to sort things out in a massive fist fight. Then tend to become best friends afterwards - sounds odd I know, but it seems to work out well.

That's old school, we did the same thing.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Bill Douglas

Here in NZ we tend to sort things out in a massive fist fight. Then tend to become best friends afterwards - sounds odd I know, but it seems to work out well.

Originally Posted by drcoastline

That's old school, we did the same thing.

Even the meanest gangs in the 50's used knives. That's old school.

And I never heard of a kid taking a knife to school and cutting random kids in the hallway.

Now that we're here, where does it stop? I don't think it does. I feel sorry for my granddaughters. I wish they could just have a peep at better times.

[Evans, Marv]

I taught high school from the seventies to the nineties in a low income area of gangs and problem kids whose parents couldn't care less what they did as long as they left them alone. Since I was somehow able to manage the kids, they put an inordinate number in my classes. At the time, I looked at other teachers' classes and wondered why they didn't have the same mix of the type of kids I had. Much later on when I was doing another job, one of the administrators told me they did put a larger proportion of problem kids in my classes.
I can only comment on what I saw from what school administrators did all of the time. They let things ride knowing situations would almost always work out and cool down, mostly throught the efforts of the teachers. They didn't want those higher up to know anything was wrong on their watch, & if they just didn't do anything and let the situation pass, things looked OK. I got into trouble once when I told a principal he "needed to get some balls and get out there & do something." Another time I had five asian kids come into the classroom to attack a hispanic kid who had been hastling one of their friends. I grabbed two of them & told the other teacher (combined classes & two teachers) to grab two more to take to the office - which he never did of course. The female principal, when I dragged the two kids into her office and told her what had happened, & that I was going back to the classroom to get control said, "Now if you are going to do things like this, we can't have you on campus." I told her to call the police because an assault had been committed in my classroom. Of course she didn't because that would have indicated a problem. The outcome was that we all got telephones in our classrooms. I have other similar stories.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv

I taught high school from the seventies to the nineties in a low income area of gangs and problem kids whose parents couldn't care less what they did as long as they left them alone. Since I was somehow able to manage the kids, they put an inordinate number in my classes. At the time, I looked at other teachers' classes and wondered why they didn't have the same mix of the type of kids I had. Much later on when I was doing another job, one of the administrators told me they did put a larger proportion of problem kids in my classes.
I can only comment on what I saw from what school administrators did all of the time. They let things ride knowing situations would almost always work out and cool down, mostly throught the efforts of the teachers. They didn't want those higher up to know anything was wrong on their watch, & if they just didn't do anything and let the situation pass, things looked OK. I got into trouble once when I told a principal he "needed to get some balls and get out there & do something." Another time I had five asian kids come into the classroom to attack a hispanic kid who had been hastling one of their friends. I grabbed two of them & told the other teacher (combined classes & two teachers) to grab two more to take to the office - which he never did of course. The female principal, when I dragged the two kids into her office and told her what had happened, & that I was going back to the classroom to get control said, "Now if you are going to do things like this, we can't have you on campus." I told her to call the police because an assault had been committed in my classroom. Of course she didn't because that would have indicated a problem. The outcome was that we all got telephones in our classrooms. I have other similar stories.

Good God. My stepdaughter taught 'disadvantaged' kids in Lawndale. IDK what disadvantaged meant but it seemed like anyone that didn't fit in elsewhere. I really don't know how she accomplished what she did, but she was on a fast track to become someone with authority in that district.

Unfortunately, health problems set in rather suddenly and she couldn't continue. She did go back and tried to work a few days but it was obvious that she wasn't up to the task. So she's on disability. That's unfortunate too because she had the passion to deal with what you did.

I have a lot of respect for people like you. I would not have come close to any accomplishment of that nature.

[Rapewta]

Parents today are not what our parents were. We for some reason think that being a parent today is being mature and responsible. It is sad but just because you can feed and shelter your offsprings as a parent doesn't mean you are capable of teaching them any guidelines for living with other people.
Raising children in today's political climate can't succeed like our parents did so well.

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Originally Posted by Rapewta

Parents today are not what our parents were. We for some reason think that being a parent today is being mature and responsible. It is sad but just because you can feed and shelter your offsprings as a parent doesn't mean you are capable of teaching them any guidelines for living with other people.
Raising children in today's political climate can't succeed like our parents did so well.

So who raised today's parents?