As one who sat through ****ing crimson peak I’m glad it’s not a de toro story.

Saw Spider-Man last night. Goofy but fun.

^^^ Have you ever seen 'Pans Labyrinth'?

It's on Netflix until the end of the year.

What makes a story a "del Toro" story?

I've seen almost all of his movies. Nothing comes to mind when I think "del Toro."

Finally saw Nightmare Alley. One of the best I've seen in the last year...but I love grifter movies. (One of my all-time fav movies is The Grifters with John Cusak.)
Long movie...but not once was I bored.
Way more enjoyable to watch than the new Matrix movie. :)

Mi Nana es de Puerto Rico y Manhattan. Film didnt need to be remade.

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Cate scared me in the Hobbit movies, but I liked it!

Cate is one of my favorite actresses. Could watch this scene over and over. 20 years ago.

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Jared, I'm pretty sure everyone in the original cast was white with brown face. That's reason enough to make it again IMHO.

No, never bored but it didn't have the supernatural element that was both expected and needed. And he could have used the murdered girl to effect that. Probably just me, but I prefer del Torro films with female protagonists. Though I loved The Devil's Backbone.

Also ruined for me was every time Cooper spoke I expected Lady Gaga to show up a la A Star is Born. He used the exact same drawl. Many better picks for casting his role.

The Matrix movie was OK at best. That they had to create an entire scene/series of scenes acknowledging that the 3 movie sucked spoke volumes.

^^^ Have you seen 'The Grifters'?
Angelica Huston, Cusak, and Annette Bening.

To me, del Torro characters are pieces of art that are created within a supernatural or fantasy story arc. It's like watching art be made. DT is a master at using lighting and very specific color palettes to paint his characters. When you look at his greatest movies, The Shape of Water, Pan's Labrynth, Devil's Backbone, they all have the same or similar lighting and palettes.

His character development is detailed and engaging. You can see how he builds the character over time adding more and more layers. More details. More story.

Nightmare Alley had the lighting and palette styles of these movies but lacked the very foundation of the supernatural or fantastic. And worse, it lacked the character development. Cate Blanchett was wasted, there was so much more that he could have done with her character. Cooper's story was underdeveloped. Everyone's was. It was a just a normal movie with a unique and beautiful look that fell short of being captivating, memorable.

That's why I say it wasn't a del Torro movie.

No but I just put it in Netflix queue.

^^^ Similar to the movie 'The Sting'...but on a lower level.
A very good movie.

I guess cookies were set and read, this just showed up on my YT.

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^^^ That was great!

I thought you would enjoy it.SmileWavy

I can't remember where I saw it....maybe a youtube video on here? It was a tour of his home/living area.
He had props from most all of his movies..plus a lot more. A museum almost.
He seems like a real likeable guy.

Please post if you can find it. He does seem like a cool guy,

Found a couple of them on YouTube. Amazing collection.

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Those were fun, thanks.

So I finally saw it tonight.

Great sets, great cinematography. The story stayed somewaht true to the original but there were enough changes that this could have been another take on Romeo and Juliet that stood on it's own, set maybe in Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit or some other city with rival gangs or a family and a complelty different score, rather then try and redo and complete with a classic.

I wasn't totally happy with the casting of Tony and Maria and their song performances were a bit weak for me.

There were a few "woke" political references that could have been left out.

All that being said it was enjoyable and worth seeing a much better remake then A star is Born in my opinion.

Late to the party, I know, but we went to visit the granddaughter this weekend, and they have Disney+.

Here's my gripe: Captions are not subtitles. My tinnitus is bad enough that I watch most movies with the captions on. Spielberg or Disney or whoever half assed the English captions, 90% of the Spanish dialog was just captioned "[Speaking in Spanish]", rather than actually displaying the dialog. Now I don't claim to be bilingual by any means, but I retain enough high school Spanish that I can get the gist of what's going on. I switched the captions over to Spanish for a bit, and it translated everything, I never saw [Hablando en ingles] once.

Anybody asking why I didn't just turn up the volume, the granddaughter's room is right above the TV, and she was taking a nap.

We saw the movie a couple of weekends ago. I had the Harmon Kardon soundbar and sub cranked up a bit and it was pretty good. Sad story though.

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