Get a CCW for another state?
 

My club has been offering to help with getting a non-resident CCW for Florida and Utah. I understand that this could be of use if we ever get 50 state recognition but that's not likely. In the case of some states recognizing the CCW wouldn't I be in violation of transport laws if I Carry from a state that didn't issue it?

You need to map it out state by state.

There is an app: Legal Heat. Does a great job of updating the laws of all the states and which state reciprocate.

A good app......

As to 50 state reciprocity? when pigs fly....

IIRC Virginia has the highest reciprocity and a non resident CCW is a pretty easy get.

It won't get you Florida but will get you Utah.

At one time I had non rez ccws from, AZ, OR AND WA. 43 states as I recall. I "had" one in CA but the NRA backed Sherriff cancelled all but former LEOs judges and his cronies when beat the incumbent.

Problem for him with VA is that he is landlocked in NJ among the crazy (red on the map) states. VA works pretty well for most residents as long as you don't head north (and dodge IL when heading west..

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Well I think we need a little more clarity from OP, transport and carrying are not the same thing.

FOPA generally covers you on transport as long as you make sure to know accessibility rules in places you may be passing through.

So he could for example carry in Indiana then transport through Illinois and carry again in Montana.

Some states honor only resident permits, some recognize all issued permits.

What is interesting is that Florida doesn't have a different CCW for resident or not - your state issued ID (drivers license, etc) makes that determination.

There aren't many times where I'll say the federal government needs to step in, but this is one of those times. A concealed carry permit should be good regardless what state you live in.

Things change too often and a lot of states that recognize other states' CCWs only do so for residents of those states, not non-resident folks far away. I got my UT permit when NV stopped taking AZ permits because NV took UT permits, and I traveled to NV regularly. But then they stopped taking non-resident UT permits. You don't have to worry in Constitutional-carry states. But I wouldn't bother with a FL permit unless you regularly travel there or to states who take FL non-resident permits.

So I am in TN. I can get a non-resident permit in FL? How is that possible?

WRT transport v carry. I was referring to being able to do both, but as noted I'd be crossing a border illegally. I have frequently transported a long gun across the NJ/PA border for NRA functions but never a hand gun. So, the limits of reciprocity and where I live would seem to make getting Fla and Utah permits wasted effort.

Reciprocity is for carry.

FOPA covers transport.

They are two different things with different rules.

Details here (see nonresident permits section):

https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/florida.pdf

If I understand your question, you are correct it would be a wasted effort as NJ does not recognize any other states CCW so you would not be permitted to carry in NJ. NJ only recognizes NJ.

Time for a stupid question 😋. Governor Kemp here in Georgia announced last week he is going to introduce legislation to allow Georgia residents to open carry without a CCW . If that legislation gets passed does that have any affect on reciprocal states ?

Asked another way if I am pulled over by a police officer in a reciprocal state and asked if I have a firearm and answer yes . Then I am asked do I have a CCW and answer no . But I then say Georgia no longer requires a CCW . Then what happens ?

I assume that the non CCW requirement is just good in Georgia in this example but I don't know that for sure . Thoughts ?

I will assume he is talking about open carry in addition to CCW. Here in SC: new law only allows open carry if you have a CCW

I would make the same assumption the non CCW is only good in GA unless the reciprical states identify the new law. Since NJ doesn't have any sort of open carry other then LEO on duty I certainly would assume you are not good to go here.

Err on the side of caution. When in doubt lock em up.

Before a bunch of other states got Const. carry, only VT and AK allowed CCW with no permit. So the states that accepted any other state's CCWs would accept a mere DL from AK and VT residents. AZ now has Const. carry, but out DLs don't suffice anywhere outside of AZ for CCW. You have to get a permit if you want reciprocity. I have an AZ CCW for that reason. The only benefit for me in AZ is that it also exempts me from NICS checks when buying from an FFL.

I would assume the 'constitutional carry' is only good in Georgia. Texas just passed 'constitutional carry, and it went into effect back in September.

Frankly, it is a mess for enforcement. Since the effective date, I have had half dozen cases of unlawful carry. Mainly because the rules are so convoluted.

On a recent case I was able to overhear the telephone conversations from body cam footage between the on scene officer and a detective and then a DA. He was calling in to get a read on whether to arrest the subject. Both the DA and detective were unclear about the limits of the new law and really offered no solution. The DA actually said something like, "I really don't know how to apply the new law".

Here is one thing about the Texas new law: if you don't have a CCW then you may carry concealed, but if any part however slight of the weapon is visible, then it must be in a holster. Further, it is a violation to display it in a public area. It is a gray area on whether you violate by display in private property that is not your own.

Interesting since I thought this was partially sold as a means to alleviate hassles for carriers if they unintentionally print or the spoon is briefly exposed due to wardrobe failure.

Just a bit of light reading in case you are interested. It is only slightly painful.

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/pe/htm/pe.46.htm#:~:text=(a%2D4)%20Notwithstanding%20Subs ection,a%20concealed%20handgun%20is%20prohibited

This is key. CCW reciprocity is a tricky thing. The OP and I both live in NJ, where no reciprocity is recognized. So in states such as mine, even out of staters much abide by the narrow exemption rules for transport of a firearm. (In NJ, transport of a firearm is prohibited except for a list of exemptions which include to and from your home to a gun range, gunsmiwth, hunting ground).

No matter what CCW you have, always check with a state you are travelling to to ensure you are not in violation of their carry and transport laws.

That said, UT + FL will give you the most CCW coverage. Except for NJ.

flatbutt: I strongly recommend getting Evan Nappen's Gun Law book. It will help you navigate the laws in NJ meant to trip up law-abiding citizens who own firewarms:
Gun Law Books

I just bought it during his recent lecture at Cherry Ridge. Suckers thick!

There was a guy 10 or so years ago who was on a multi stop flight with a handgun checked through TSA.

Due to circumstances beyond his control he missed his connecting flight.

Got arrested at the airport the next day.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/traveling-mans-gun-arrest-appealed-to-supreme-court

Read it, learn it, live it. Lots of info in there to prevent you from getting tripped up with NJ's convoluted laws. Could be the difference between living free, and serving 10 years with no eligibility for parole.

There's a little unknown NJ gun law as an example: You are allowed to transport your firearm from your residence to your new residence (and to a gun range, gunsmith, hunting ground...) Same applies to FMJ rounds. But that's not the case for hollow points. When they increased the punishment for using hollow points during a crime, they also somehow restricted transportation of these rounds. So if you move, transporting your hollow points to a new residence is illegal. If you do not have good legal representation, you can be charged with a 3rd class felony and 12 years of jail time with not parole possible.

Yeah, that convoluted in NJ. But we have cheap gas... :eek:

Saw this a few years back and thought if fit this conversation quite nicely


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But doesn't the gas station attendant have to pump it for you?

That one I know. I used up all my HPs a long time ago. I asked my local police chief about them who said having a mag full at home is OK but if I use them for self defense in my home the prosecutor would use that to make the case against me worse. Yeah our gun laws suck.

Yes.

And don't even try to do it yourself.

They get downright ornery.

Here's another NJ horror story.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-jersey-gov-chris-christie-commutes-sentence-of-man-sent-to-jail-for-owning-guns-legally

That is just crazy. But it shows me the DA's office is a little off too when their spokesman says this:

Regarding Aitken's interview on the case, Bewley wrote: "While we fully recognize the defendant has a right not to testify, it is difficult to understand why he would grant an interview on national television, yet choose not to explain his actions to a jury when his liberty was at stake."

Just a minor thing, the 5th Amendment. So the State has the burden of proof and your spokesman thinks the accused has to explain himself? Holy crap. Not to mention the DA has prosecutorial discretion to charge or not and to dismiss or not.

Since our law changed, I've had ADA's give some sweetheart deals rather than screw over someone on a minor technicality for a law that most people are still trying to figure out.

HP's are more effective at stopping a perp when you defend yourself. It also has less chance of going through sheet rock and hitting an innocent bystander. As for the prosecutor? What's that saying? "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6..."

When I applied for my FPID, I asked a local desk policeman about the transport of HP's. He responded flatly, "They are illegal in NJ." Hmm....I guess every gun store I know of must not know this, since they ALL carry hollow points. After I got my FPID, I advised him that hollow point ammo is in fact legal, except when used in a crime. He shrugged. Even your local magistrate can't make sense of the convoluted firearm laws, you know there's a problem...

Here's another gem: Slingshots are illegal in NJ. Why? Because of a typo when firearm laws were written. There's something called a slugshot (not the ammo used in a shotgun) and the transcriber of the law mistook it for slingshot. But at least we won't have to pump our own gas... ;)

If this video weren't so frightening it would be comical. It expalins how Fuked NJ gun laws are.

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Correction to my previous post - it's 3.5 to 5 years of jailtime with no opportunity for parole, not 12 years. My bad.

You're good.

But remember 3.5-5 per "offense" each bullet, each magazine over 10 rounds is a seperate offense.

Nothing a low yield nuke can't fix at the floor of the legislature....

Jeez, guilty until you prove to the contrary? I've seen that before in about 2008ish when Congress slipped a similar burden shift into the UCMJ sexual assault statute. Totally unconstitutional but why should that matter?

Pretty sure I have a couple of .22 rifles that fit the NJ def of assault weapon. One was my Granny's, who knew she was a criminal?

God speed to Mr. Nappen!