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911 Rod 02-02-2022 05:55 AM

What a maroon .....looks like fun.

450knotOffice 02-02-2022 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11594767)
But for what? He technically wasn't speeding.

I get what you're saying.

If you've got a road with no speed limit, I don't feel like you can say, "well, there's no limit, but there is if you go too fast."

That's like saying "you can go as fast as you want, but if you go over 200mph, we'll put you in jail."

Or is it 210? Or is it 225? Or 190? or....

If you're going to say "this was dangerous, so you can't do it." OK, why was it dangerous, because of the speed involved? If that's the case, and you want to put someone in jail for what would essentially be speeding, then a speed limit needs to be specified.

If someone can be prosecuted for going too fast where there's no speed limit, and the charge is essentially due to "you were going too fast" that is ripe for abuse.

I don't like <some person> because they are too rich, too <insert reason (color, ethnicity, religion, first name, long hair, etc...) here> so I'm going to say that their speed was dangerous so I can prosecute them.

Nailed it.

Not much more to say that wouldn't be redundant, really.

livi 02-02-2022 08:55 AM

So if your family on vacation in Germany change lanes with this loony coming up from behind at a speed that neither him nor the family has the slightest chance to react to and he slams into them from behind..

He is not an utter and complete moron for breaking any law (probably), but for not regarding the extreme risk he is putting other drivers in as it is very easy to miss something coming up behind you at that speed.

I have been driving the unrestricted parts of autobahn many times and if you lose focus on whats behind you for a few seconds and change lanes.. And the roads are full of elderly and unexperienced drivers.

He may or may not be within the marks of the law but he completely lacks common sense and care for other people.

masraum 02-02-2022 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by livi (Post 11595024)
So if your family on vacation in Germany change lanes with this loony coming up from behind at a speed that neither him nor the family has the slightest chance to react to and he slams into them from behind..

He is not an utter and complete moron for breaking any law (probably), but for not regarding the extreme risk he is putting other drivers in as it is very easy to miss something coming up behind you at that speed.

I have been driving the unrestricted parts of autobahn many times and if you lose focus on whats behind you for a few seconds and change lanes.. And the roads are full of elderly and unexperienced drivers.

He may or may not be within the marks of the law but he completely lacks common sense and care for other people.

Like I said, I understand your concern. Speed differential is a big deal. Your avg driver is not likely to glance in their rearview mirror and realize that the car coming up behind them is approaching them at 150+mph (if they are going 100mph).

My point is, that if this should be illegal and something that can be prosecuted, you also can't say "no speed limit, do whatever you want."

You can't have it both ways (when legality is coming into it).

If you CAN go too fast, then create a limit. The guy could have had an accident, but he didn't. You could get into an accident that kills several folks going 200kph. If a family was on the autobahn and changed lanes at 120kph in front of someone going 200kph, that could kill people. In that case, who's at fault, the person that changed lanes without being attentive or the guy going 200kph. Yes, as speeds increase, it gets worse. OK, so we are back at the point where if someone thinks XXXkph is too fast, then set that as a limit. Who's going to decide that limit, and what will the limit be, 100kph? 200kph, 300kph, etc...?

pwd72s 02-02-2022 09:22 AM

Pretty obvious he had spotters...those cars pulled over to the right.

Wow! Almost as fast as Stijn's Cayman romp.

OK-944 02-02-2022 09:29 AM

Hmmm...seems like it might be a good idea if there were some (Autobahn-specific) legislation requiring that anyone wanting to drive above certain speeds to take a class and get certified upon successfully completing it, and that this certification would then need to be displayed prior to entry on the autobahn.

Kind of like a toll booth - just show (or swipe) your "high speed certification" card upon entry to the roadway, then maybe get a visible sticker attached to your car (something windproof!) - so others (including authorities) could see this plainly. Could also help in the event of legal disputes/insurance claims?

masraum 02-02-2022 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OK-944 (Post 11595078)
Hmmm...seems like it might be a good idea if there were some legislation requiring that anyone wanting to drive above certain speeds take a class and get certified upon successfully completing it.

Then again...where else on earth can one legally drive "with no limit?"

(maybe that certification process would need to be "Autobahn specific?")

I think the process to get a driver's license in Germany is already really arduous. It's NOTHING like getting a license in the US (which is a joke).

Captain Ahab Jr 02-02-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11595087)
I think the process to get a driver's license in Germany is already really arduous. It's NOTHING like getting a license in the US (which is a joke).

A friend of ours failed her German driving test for not driving fast enough on the autobahn

She only did 90mph :D

sc_rufctr 02-06-2022 03:32 AM

The FASTEST Speeding Ticket ever: 242 mph!

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David 02-09-2022 06:28 AM

This got me thinking about the fastest I've ever been passed.

It was 1984, coming back to Houston from the 1984 US Grand Prix in Dallas. I was 16 and my mom was driving. She said, "David, what's this coming up behind us?"

It was a black 928 at what had to be the car's top speed. I figured 160 or 170 mph.

So I just looked up the specs on a 1984 928: 234 hp from a 4.5 liter engine and top speed of 146 mph. Pretty disappointing compared to todays cars!

svandamme 02-09-2022 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr (Post 11595146)
A friend of ours failed her German driving test for not driving fast enough on the autobahn

She only did 90mph :D

Suspect that was 90 KPH since 90mph (144kph) is already above the recommended speed of 130

at 90kph it's normally fine on the right lane, where the trucks live.. Absolute minimum any vehicle must meet is 60 kph on flat autobahn
but they have minimums of 90 and 110kph for I think middle and left lane respectively

If they failed her on that, it was probably a general failure to be a confident driver, not such much that she didn't meet minimum speed for autobahn

My high score is 263kph with the Cayman Satnav confirmed.. So it's above factory spec it has all it's horses despite being 15 years old.
There was some more in it but ran into traffic.

svandamme 02-09-2022 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OK-944 (Post 11595078)
Hmmm...seems like it might be a good idea if there were some (Autobahn-specific) legislation requiring that anyone wanting to drive above certain speeds to take a class and get certified upon successfully completing it, and that this certification would then need to be displayed prior to entry on the autobahn.

Kind of like a toll booth - just show (or swipe) your "high speed certification" card upon entry to the roadway, then maybe get a visible sticker attached to your car (something windproof!) - so others (including authorities) could see this plainly. Could also help in the event of legal disputes/insurance claims?

None of that is really going to work is it.
regardless of your high speed certification, none of it will protect anybody else if your car has a techical failure at 300 kph, and all that kinetic energy does what it does.

No certificate or training will ever resolve all possible liabilities you create by going that fast. Its your choice, so at that point, your responsible for it.

masraum 02-09-2022 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David (Post 11602272)
This got me thinking about the fastest I've ever been passed.

It was 1984, coming back to Houston from the 1984 US Grand Prix in Dallas. I was 16 and my mom was driving. She said, "David, what's this coming up behind us?"

It was a black 928 at what had to be the car's top speed. I figured 160 or 170 mph.

So I just looked up the specs on a 1984 928: 234 hp from a 4.5 liter engine and top speed of 146 mph. Pretty disappointing compared to todays cars!

My old '88 911 would redline in 5th which based on gearing and tire sizes should be 150-152mph. I never passed anyone going that fast or remotely that fast.

masraum 02-09-2022 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 11602297)
My high score is 263kph with the Cayman Satnav confirmed.. So it's above factory spec it has all it's horses despite being 15 years old.
There was some more in it but ran into traffic.


If you were on a public road, you should be in jail for endangering lives!


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