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If he made the deal through deception by not disclosing his intention and using his illness to manipulate you, well that was unethical to me. He was willing to swindle you out of your money and work to his grandkids benefit and to you kids detriment.
You would be nice heling to build him another. But I wouldn't lose sleep over that either. |
Wow, hard to believe you guys all agree on something!
And it is what I wanted to hear, so thank y'all very much! I have offered several times for him to borrow it. He declined. I even offered for him to rent it. He declined that also. Still not sure what I will do but definitely appreciate the input. |
If he doesn’t even want to borrow it, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over telling him no.
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You know what to do.
You are just too good a guy to feel comfortable with doing it. |
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The issue is whether there was ever a promise conditioned on the use for himself, or whether the Buyer can use the car for whatever, including give it away. I think there clearly was an understanding offered by the Buyer that the use was for himself in his last dying days. Period. Now that understanding is being violated, the deal is off. |
You’re too nice. You’ve bent over backwards to accommodate him and he deceived you whether intentionally or not.
No sale. |
That would annoy the crap out of me if someone bugged me for years about buying my car. Go find your own car! It’s not like it takes a genius to find or restore a beetle. Maybe it was flattering at first but the guilt trip is no fun
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To me this is not an ethical question.
Yes the guy has cancer and that's sad but why is that now your responsibility? Or, him having cancer should not cost you any money. And were is his family in all of this? Doesn't he have a brother or someone else that can help him out? If I was the one with cancer I wouldn't be trying to take advantage of a stranger in my last days. |
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Time is not on his side. You could go to the grandkid and make a deal that he sell the car back to you after gramps passes, which sounds imminent. Gramps is happy, you’re happy and the kid might learn something. |
Sadly the guy has cancer - not your fault. He's got enough on his plate without buying an old (but tidy) car and needing to understand it and maintain/fix it.
Stay out of it. It will end in tears. Or offer to drive him around and look at ones that are actually for sale. |
You will not be lying if you say you do not think a bug is a good idea for any 16 yo. And since he doesn't want to drive it bad enough to rent / borrow it from you, that's the end of it right there. Sad story, if he was just interested in the experience of the car, it would not be too late to ask you for some rides, get away a little, maybe chat along the way or go to some of his favorite spots.
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Do not sell your car. As someone else stated, you are going to feel at least partially bad about any outcome of this dilemma, (though you shouldn't), so keep your car. You will feel far worse if you sell it under duress. I'm bothered by the fact that you continually dropped the price below what you think it's worth due to someone pestering or guilting you. That is a classic manipulation tactic and is used in many types of financial transactions. Lastly, I took my drivers test in my mom's 1974 Super Beetle in 1975, when I was 16. I also drove it and other VW bugs for years afterwards, in between other cars. Others are correct in pointing out the safety delta between it and even cars from 25 or 30 years ago. Horrible choice for a new driver in 2022. |
I understand how a very principled man would agonize over this. I might have the same agony, particularly after so many discussions about a sale had transpired over so long.
But I also think the facts, which are the terms you had discussed, have changed and frankly I see all those discussions as a sort of badgering to score a nice example of an iconic care for less than market price. And then there is the question of whether a teenaged boy should be barnstorming around in an old Beetle. The answer to that question is "No." You worry about what is the right thing to do, and the right thing is to not sell the car. |
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The kid will learn along the way and appreciate the car much more as it is something he built up. The grandfather, if he can join in will create an amazing memory with the grandkid that will be remembered long after he is gone and make that car much more special. |
I have another option. If you really want to sell at a loss, sell the car to me cheap and tell them it was stolen.
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Dude was in the hospital for a while with an infection.
When he came back to work i found myself avoiding him. Finally had the courage to confront him. Told him I cannot sell mine. But I will find him one and go through it with him and his grand kids. He looked sad but agreed. After a couple days of looking, I was able to convince him to get a new bug. Cheaper, newer, better heat, ac, auto and power steering. Plus his wifey can drive it. So search is full speed ahead. And we are still friends! Really happy and relieved. And happy Easter to all!!! |
Kudos. You took a tricky situation and found the narrow path to mutual agreement. Congrats.
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