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KNS 03-23-2022 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 911/914gary (Post 11643570)
This incident was with a 737-800 NG. These do not have the MCAS system that could result in runaway elevator trim. That was an issue on the 737-MAX series.

It is unnerving that as the aircraft descended, for about 2-3 minutes, no distress call from the flight crew was made.
It's been reported Air Traffic Control attempted to contact the crew several times with no response.

Bob Kontak 03-23-2022 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11643630)
Does a black box recorder "survive" a 3xx mph to zero impact?
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Originally Posted by Evans, Marv (Post 11643844)
Was supposedly approaching the speed of sound toward the end.
More like a 7xx mph to zero impact.

Flew LaGuardia to Cleveland once in a 737. Massive tail wind and flight was super late and it had the after burners on. Heard pilots talking to each other saying they/we were close to Mach 1 ground speed when we departed the jet in Cle. And that was without gravity assist.

911/914gary 03-23-2022 07:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KNS (Post 11644008)
It's been reported Air Traffic Control attempted to contact the crew several times with no response.
Exactly. Hopefully the DFDR (digital flight deck recorder) data is available. This would yield some audio information that could give an indication of what the flight crew was experiencing.

wilnj 03-23-2022 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 911/914gary (Post 11644092)
Exactly. Hopefully the DFDR (digital flight deck recorder) data is available. This would yield some audio information that could give an indication of what the flight crew was experiencing.

And unfortunately, we’ll likely never hear the whole story.

asphaltgambler 03-23-2022 08:07 AM
Looks like they found the box..............

Ayles 03-23-2022 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 11644015)
More like a 7xx mph to zero impact.

Flew LaGuardia to Cleveland once in a 737. Massive tail wind and flight was super late and it had the after burners on. Heard pilots talking to each other saying they/we were close to Mach 1 ground speed when we departed the jet in Cle. And that was without gravity assist.
I am fairly certain there arent afterburners on 737s or any other commercial aircraft (maybe the concord?).

Seahawk 03-23-2022 08:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayles (Post 11644160)
I am fairly certain there arent afterburners on 737s or any other commercial aircraft (maybe the concord?).
He was being tongue-in-cheek.

There are no AB's on any current airliners.

I hope we get the rest of the story.

There was an earlier link in this thread that was fantastic.

BTW, pilot suicide is a real concern in some accident profiles: I have done two military accident investigations and the Flight Surgeons do discuss the probability.

chapstic2001 03-23-2022 08:32 AM
“At present, it is unclear whether it is a data recorder or a cockpit voice recorder,” that has been found, said Mao Yanfeng, an official at the Civil Aviation Administration of China.

Scott Douglas 03-23-2022 08:37 AM
You can bet Air Force One has after burners but then it isn't a commercial airliner is it.

rumlyne 03-23-2022 09:09 AM
i'll take that bet!!

gordner 03-23-2022 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 911/914gary (Post 11643570)
This incident was with a 737-800 NG. These do not have the MCAS system that could result in runaway elevator trim. That was an issue on the 737-MAX series.

It is unnerving that as the aircraft descended, for about 2-3 minutes, no distress call from the flight crew was made.
It has a screw jack driven flying tail. The run away stab issue long predates MCAS and the associated issues. I don't think there is a screw jack stab in service without a standing AD against it.

gordner 03-23-2022 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 11644182)
You can bet Air Force One has after burners but then it isn't a commercial airliner is it.
I would happily take that bet.

You don't do afterburners on high bypass turbo fans.

Brown747 03-23-2022 10:19 AM
https://avherald.com/h?article=4f64be2f&opt=0

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911 Rod 03-23-2022 10:26 AM
Unimageable how horrific this would have been for the passengers.

pwd72s 03-23-2022 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 11644331)
Unimageable how horrific this would have been for the passengers.
This. Not a lot of time, but every moment sheer terror. The only silver lining...no pain.

speeder 03-23-2022 11:21 AM
I understand suicide but I don't understand taking 130 innocent strangers with you and making them die in an unimaginably horrible way(?) :confused:

asphaltgambler 03-23-2022 11:33 AM
Because suicide is in itself ...........selfish.

red-beard 03-23-2022 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by beatnavy (Post 11643698)
Germanwings flight 7 years ago almost to the day.

List of suicide by pilot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_pilot

Terrifying.
Wasn't there also a flight out of JFK, where the pilot and co-pilot were fighting the controls? Egypt Air?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

Hawkeye's-911T 03-23-2022 12:10 PM
Brings this to mind:
Quote:
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (MH370/MAS370) was a scheduled international passenger flight operated by Malaysia Airlines that disappeared on 8 March 2014 while flying from Kuala Lumpur International Airport in Malaysia to its planned destination

Bill Douglas 03-23-2022 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chapstic2001 (Post 11644175)
“At present, it is unclear whether it is a data recorder or a cockpit voice recorder,” that has been found, said Mao Yanfeng, an official at the Civil Aviation Administration of China.
Voice recorder, going by this report.

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