RIP Taylor Hawkins

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by pavulon

Cocaine is tough on middle-aged hearts. Early report:

A police officer said a “cocaine looking powder” was seen in the hotel room, claims Velez, while national newspaper El Tiempo reported that authorities “found hallucinogenic drugs” but “no signs of violence in the luxury hotel room.”

“Colombian authorities found: an empty beer can, an opened bottle of vodka, a Coca-Cola bottle, and some ‘other articles’ being analyzed by authorities,” Velez reported.

“The Emergency Center received a report about a patient with pain in the chest in a hotel in the north of the city,” according to a release issued Saturday by the Bogota Secretary of Health, which noted that the organization sent an ambulance to the location. “However, when the teams from the Secretary of Health arrive[d], they found another emergency responder from the company EMI. The health care professional who attended to the emergency said that he performed all re-animation maneuvers but he did not receive a response and the patient was declared dead.”

Tough stuff. I would think being a drummer in a high energy band, it's not easy to be "Ready to go" at all times. Travel, time changes, jet lag, local interviews and publicity, etc.

Sometimes you need a little "pick me up". But these days you never know what's in the mix.

[svandamme]

I've had my share of recreational drugs when i was in my 20ies. And I wasn't scared of weird stuff and weird combinations then.
Not all drugs are bad , some are great.

But these days the amount of experimental stuff they use to mix up and sell as something else is scary.
The war on drugs just made it worse for everybody.. More competition, Higher prices More ruthless people doing all kinds of things to "brand" or "customize" their product in the market.. WAY more violent crime.. These days cooks and crooks will mix up fentanyl in a batch of whatever it is they sell, to add a kick to it... OR lace their packaging with it to kill drug dogs..
Especially in Latin America, and if they don't unpack it properly it gets in the actual package.
Fentanyl is scary stuff.. The russians used it as a gas for counter terrorism in their opera

It worked, the terrorists were all dead. (so were the hostages but oh well, Russia, they called it a great success. everybody dead, if we hadn't done this we would have had 150 of our own(swat) dead as well).



It's a sad thing if he is yet another talented person to die from the drugs, from my understanding the coronoer hasn't yet mentioned the word OD yet, or that it was drugs that killed him.. But its probably a very likely cause...

[KevinTodd]

Huge downer.

[Fast Freddy 944]

He had Thc..marjuana, and some other strong arse drugs according to the autopsy report. I reckon the rock and roll life style aint for everybody. Lots of rockers, and big shot stars, dope up, over dose, and bam the body says "nope, bad ju-ju, im checking out. Shame, Just say no?

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by svandamme

I've had my share of recreational drugs when i was in my 20ies. And I wasn't scared of weird stuff and weird combinations then.
Not all drugs are bad , some are great.

But these days the amount of experimental stuff they use to mix up and sell as something else is scary.
The war on drugs just made it worse for everybody.. More competition, Higher prices More ruthless people doing all kinds of things to "brand" or "customize" their product in the market.. WAY more violent crime.. These days cooks and crooks will mix up fentanyl in a batch of whatever it is they sell, to add a kick to it... OR lace their packaging with it to kill drug dogs..
Especially in Latin America, and if they don't unpack it properly it gets in the actual package.
Fentanyl is scary stuff.. The russians used it as a gas for counter terrorism in their opera

It worked, the terrorists were all dead. (so were the hostages but oh well, Russia, they called it a great success. everybody dead, if we hadn't done this we would have had 150 of our own(swat) dead as well).



It's a sad thing if he is yet another talented person to die from the drugs, from my understanding the coronoer hasn't yet mentioned the word OD yet, or that it was drugs that killed him.. But its probably a very likely cause...

The gas used was carfentanil. There are a fair number of medical and veterinarian synthetic opiate meds that incorporate -fentanil and it’s easy to refer to them all as fentanyl but they each have pretty specific properties and very specific dosing. Carfentanil is a veterinarian med that apparently is odorless and very readily crosses alveoli. Because they can, people are using veterinarian meds too. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6727a4.htm

Unlike heroin, the thing about synthetic opiates is that no poppy material is required so it’s easier to make in that way. Of course quality control isn’t very precise when there is no accountability.

Opiates kill by depressing the drive to breathe. Cocaine puts your whole system into overdrive. A lot of cocaine is spiked with fentanyl these days. Overdrive a system that runs on oxygen and depressed ventilation….

https://bedrockrecoverycenter.com/addiction/cocaine/overdose/

[Dpmulvan]

You guys are forgetting he was in the world HQ for Coke. If it wasn’t coke Maybe it was the Covid jab ? I’m sure these guys had to take all the shots to tour. If it was we will never know.

[svandamme]

26 posts.. surprised it took that long.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by pavulon

The gas used was carfentanil. There are a fair number of medical and veterinarian synthetic opiate meds that incorporate -fentanil and it’s easy to refer to them all as fentanyl but they each have pretty specific properties and very specific dosing. Carfentanil is a veterinarian med that apparently is odorless and very readily crosses alveoli. Because they can, people are using veterinarian meds too. [/url]

yeah, but its the same result in gas form really
touch any dose of regular fentanyl and you get the same as breathing carfentanyl

it's all so potent that the diff between medical / recreational amount and OD dose..is very low..

LD50 of 3.9 mg / kg.. 0.3 gram will snuff most adults.

Originally Posted by pavulon

Opiates kill by depressing the drive to breathe. Cocaine puts your whole system into overdrive. A lot of cocaine is spiked with fentanyl these days. Overdrive a system that runs on oxygen and depressed ventilation….

It's like speedballing in the old days.. the stuff that got River Phoenix

Except here it's invisible, unintentional and basically a russian roulette each time new supply comes in.
Scary stuff, impossible to protect yourself on the streets as a user.

Dealer mixes a batch, pus a 500 mg fentanyl in a 20 gram coke batch.
mixes it poorly ?
somebody will have a very bad day.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by svandamme

yeah, but its the same result in gas form really
touch any dose of regular fentanyl and you get the same as breathing carfentanyl

No. Having had plenty of fentanyl on my hands and injected a LOT of it as well as delivered plenty nasally and working with hundreds who are in the same boat, exactly zero have ever had an issue. Skin is not alveoli or mucous membrane.

Fentanyl has some vapor pressure in solution form at room temp, but it is low. In solid form, it is likely much lower yet. It takes an intentional effort to aerosolize it and imagine carfentanil is the same. If unintentional vaporization were an issue, it wouldn't be useful as keeping it in a syringe for very long wouldn't work and injecting it would likely produce a gas embolism at body temp.

[billybek]

Too bad. He seemed like a very likeable guy.
That episode of carpool karaoke was the best!

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by pavulon

No. Having had plenty of fentanyl on my hands and injected a LOT of it as well as delivered plenty nasally and working with hundreds who are in the same boat, exactly zero have ever had an issue. Skin is not alveoli or mucous membrane.

Fentanyl has some vapor pressure in solution form at room temp, but it is low. In solid form, it is likely much lower yet. It takes an intentional effort to aerosolize it and imagine carfentanil is the same. If unintentional vaporization were an issue, it wouldn't be useful as keeping it in a syringe for very long wouldn't work and injecting it would likely produce a gas embolism at body temp.

I've read an seen documentaries where custom officers and narc cops all were very worried about getting fentanyl on them during busts

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/tom-temin-federal-drive/2019/08/ig-warns-customs-officers-intercepting-fentanyl-at-risk-of-exposure/

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by svandamme

I've read an seen documentaries where custom officers and narc cops all were very worried about getting fentanyl on them during busts

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/tom-temin-federal-drive/2019/08/ig-warns-customs-officers-intercepting-fentanyl-at-risk-of-exposure/

Unless the stuff was physically real hot (possibly increased vapor pressure), they'd need to bathe in it or otherwise get a bunch of it on their lips, eyes, in their nose or up their arse. Being careful is understandable but intact skin is an effective barrier.

[svandamme]

Ok i suppose their worry is then more in case of cuts on the skin, or a puff of power in the eyes?

[craigster59]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Ok i suppose their worry is then more in case of cuts on the skin, or a puff of power in the eyes?

I remember a few times where an officer was overcome and his/her partner had to give them Narcan. Not sure if the Fentanyl was accidentally inhaled or ingested (the old dip your finger and taste). Seems like real nasty stuff.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by craigster59

I remember a few times where an officer was overcome and his/her partner had to give them Narcan. Not sure if the Fentanyl was accidentally inhaled or ingested (the old dip your finger and taste). Seems like real nasty stuff.

Mostly hype perpetuated by dramatic sorts.

https://healthandjusticejournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40352-021-00163-5

[GG Allin]

...could probably source some good blow in Columbia of all places.

I would think a drummer has a strong heart. 50 is peak widow maker age though.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by svandamme

26 posts.. surprised it took that long.

C19 vaccination status aside, chest pain is a sign of pulmonary embolism and a big one is definitely a show stopper. Extended time in a sitting position (plane ride to South America) can be a set-up for DVT-->PE.

[L8Brakr]

Back on topic-

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/us/young-drummer-paraguay-taylor-hawkins-trnd/index.html

[TimT]

Foos just seemed to be a good bunch of guys living the life...

They always went out of there way for kids... two thumbs up...

Does how he died really matter? Apparently a good person, who gave time to kids who were fans.. given recent experiences I've had... why doesn't matter..

Nandi Bushnell remember Taylor Hawkins

Watch till the end

[Bill Douglas]

10 drugs in his system

I suspect he was used to the heavily cut stuff back in the US and had the same quantity of "the good stuff" someone scored for him.