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Paul_Heery 03-27-2022 03:10 AM

A well setup 944?
 
I'd like to know what the conversion costs were for this.

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Chocaholic 03-27-2022 03:48 AM

I think this is one of those “if you have to ask, you wouldn’t understand” projects.

Fast Freddy 944 03-27-2022 04:02 AM

Here we go folks, the ruining of a classic car................Just buy a dang Tessie or a leaf or something, don't bastardize a classic because of commie-globalist pressure..Cmon Man!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1648382530.jpg

Chocaholic 03-27-2022 04:13 AM

Economy at any price.

sc_rufctr 03-27-2022 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul_Heery (Post 11647896)
I'd like to know what the conversion costs were for this.

...

The same guy has also converted mid 80s Ferrari Testarossas (x4).
Here's a video showing what's in the workshop right now and it's utterly amazing - :eek:

There's also a mention of a US vendor who can import their "EV Kits".

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VINMAN 03-27-2022 07:37 AM

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rfuerst911sc 03-27-2022 08:51 AM

I would prefer a well executed LS conversion .

svandamme 03-27-2022 10:06 AM

over 10 years ago there were already 914 EV conversions being discussed on this here forum

fastfredracing 03-27-2022 10:28 AM

Checks and balances
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fxeditor 03-27-2022 11:29 AM

This is exactly the EV I want. Perfect size, range, and sportiness. I have no interest in the Tesla Model 3, although my wife drives a Model S. Almost everything else for sale here in the US is some form of crossover, which is a big no for me.

I don't know why others here are bagging on this conversion? We have no idea of the state of the car before conversion. It could have been a complete basket case. It looks remarkably well done, although I'm sure it wasn't cheap.

Fast Freddy 944 03-27-2022 11:57 AM

Ill Laugh when oil flows like a river and all of these nerd cars have to return to petrol power. LOL! Man!

Heel n Toe 03-27-2022 09:19 PM

Someday soon hopefully we'll see a video of how some guy put a V-8 in a Tesla and he's doing huge smoky doughnuts in a K-Mart parking lot.

svandamme 03-27-2022 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe (Post 11648633)
Someday soon hopefully we'll see a video of how some guy put a V-8 in a Tesla and he's doing huge smoky doughnuts in a K-Mart parking lot.

the V8 tesla already exists


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sc_rufctr 03-27-2022 10:27 PM

I have thought about converting my ancient W140 S420! It's not a cream puff and it's not rare so why not? The car runs great but at some point something big will fail. Converting it to EV would be easy and it would then become one of the smoothest and quietest W140's ever. And it's a big car so there's plenty of room for batteries etc.

This is the rear suspension sub frame from a W140. I'd bet there's plenty of room for a Tesla drive train! Two battery pack - One were the fuel tank is now (behind the back seat) and another bigger pack were the engine is. You could run the cables and coolant lines down the trans tunnel. Charge plug were the fuel filler is now. With careful planning the car could look stock from the outside and I'd try to maintain the weight distribution. (Air suspension?)

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This is a model 3 drive train. It's a very similar in layout to the W140. Even the mounting points are in a similar position & I'd be using Tesla wheels.

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sc_rufctr 03-28-2022 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 11648205)
over 10 years ago there were already 914 EV conversions being discussed on this here forum

About 30 years ago I saw a Hyundai Excel that had been converted locally. It used a fork lift motor, original 5 speed gearbox and 12v lead acid car batteries. The batteries were packed into the rear luggage area. Its range was about 80km! Usable around the city but it took about 20 hours to fully recharge the batteries in a home garage (240v). How things have changed.

Fast Freddy 944 03-28-2022 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe (Post 11648633)
Someday soon hopefully we'll see a video of how some guy put a V-8 in a Tesla and he's doing huge smoky doughnuts in a K-Mart parking lot.

Hell yeah man!:D

masraum 03-28-2022 07:07 AM

https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-crate-motor-ev-conversion-small-block-v-8/

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The term "crate engine" has long been used to describe engines you could buy (typically hotted-up or modified) and install in the car or project of your choosing. Why the name, though? Because the engines ship in crates. Often, the word "engine" is used interchangeably with the word "motor," a casual oversight of the distinction between an internal-combustion engine and a motor, which we typically use to describe an electric power source. Until now. Go ahead and call EV West's Revolt Systems Tesla electric powertrain swap what it is: A crate motor.

Literally, that's what this wonderful creation is. A crated electric motor. Even better, it's a bolt-in setup gunning to replace one of the most common crate engine choices out there, GM's small-block V-8. That is because the EV West Tesla powertrain bolts up to small-block V-8 engine mounts and can be hooked up directly to a driveshaft, so you can fit it into your small-block V-8 project and keep your rear axle as-is.

The so-called Revolt Tesla Crate Motor appears to come with the electric motor from a Tesla, an inline gear reduction where a traditional transmission would bolt up behind an engine, and a universal joint waiting to be fixed to a driveshaft. As with EV West's other available motor kits and such (the outfit offers EV conversions for a variety of classic cars), the battery and control unit for the setup appears to be sold separately, and all of the components will be available individually.

etc...

Fast Freddy 944 03-28-2022 07:10 AM

^^^What the hell is that? It looks like a starter or something. LOL!

masraum 03-28-2022 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11648934)

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Originally Posted by Fast Freddy 944 (Post 11648939)
^^^What the hell is that? It looks like a starter or something. LOL!

It's the next crate motor for Glenn's El Camino in another 300k miles.

fastfredracing 03-28-2022 08:04 AM

I'm pretty much already in the " yawn another ev conversion " camp.
I did watch the video, and that looks to be executed very well, I love how they kept the original gauge pod. I bet its a hoot to drive also.
However, I kind of think a 951 as a somewhat special car, I hate to see one cut up . A testarosa? cmon man. What are you kids, hopped up ?

Racerbvd 03-28-2022 08:45 AM

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sc_rufctr 04-08-2022 05:20 AM

This is an excellent video because you get to hear what one of these conversions sounds like.

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KFC911 04-08-2022 05:31 AM

I don't know if he started it, but I always think of PFL when I see the title :)...

Did Sid go AWOL too?

masraum 04-08-2022 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 11659177)
This is an excellent video because you get to hear what one of these conversions sounds like.

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Interesting. So they aren't all 500hp monsters.

flipper35 04-08-2022 09:42 AM

I didn't watch the videos, but how much weight was added to the P car and red head? The Model S is a heavy car.

oldE 04-08-2022 02:07 PM

According to the video on the 944, the total weight and weight distribution are unchanged from stock.
It now has 300hp. :D

Best
Les

gacook 04-08-2022 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldE (Post 11659722)
According to the video on the 944, the total weight and weight distribution are unchanged from stock.
It now has 300hp. :D

Best
Les

That's kinda amazing, if true. The batteries in any electric vehicle add a ton to the curb weight, so I'd be interested in seeing how they accomplished not adding any weight.

svandamme 04-08-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gacook (Post 11659761)
That's kinda amazing, if true. The batteries in any electric vehicle add a ton to the curb weight, so I'd be interested in seeing how they accomplished not adding any weight.

Simple:
It wont do the distance a modern ev does

masraum 04-08-2022 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 11659459)
I didn't watch the videos, but how much weight was added to the P car and red head? The Model S is a heavy car.

And the little Alfa is supposedly the same weight, but essentially same as stock hp, but more torque

sc_rufctr 04-08-2022 07:31 PM

I have a few real safety concern with these EV's...

- What effect do the battery boxes have on the safety crumple zones of a car?
- How secure are the battery boxes?
- I know they're bolted in but are the bolt through areas reinforced like seat belt mounting point?

What I'm most concerned about is people doing these conversions in their garages.
- Have you ever bought a used car with a "DIY" aftermarket stereo that you had to reinstall? (Shrink tube??? :rolleyes:)

svandamme 04-09-2022 12:05 AM

Yeah, well, Crash safety is not what people generally look for when driving oldtimers.
earl and mid 911's.. the crumble zone for a big crap, is really the B pillar, where the driver sits
Corvairs, unsafe at any speed
Air cooled Vdubs.. in modern traffic.. you really "become" your car if there's ever a pile up with modern vehicles..
Those 2002 BMW's or even E9's.. They are unibodies so bit better then a Vdub, anybody thinking those era cars will protect their driver against modern day cars is a fool and then some.


Just look at the Porsche cayman design.. heavy engine just behind the driver
In a super stiff, modern design chassis with high strenght steels and what not.
They still have to put a strong steel anchor cable in to prevent the driver being crushed by the engine

Now You can reinforce those battery boxes, and They probably are the strongest point in those conversions... New steal, hand welded.. Those boxes won't deform...But it won't matter if the rest of the car made out of 40+ year old ordinary steel crumbles around the reinforcements.

That battery box just becomes a man crusher.


You want safety, get a modern car. A ground up design EV.
You want cool car, convert an old one
You want to remain looking cool while driving a cool car... don't convert it :D

sc_rufctr 04-09-2022 12:26 AM

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You want safety...
Get an SUV. Even a modern car will be plowed over by an SUV in an accident because the hard points on a SUV are higher than a regular car.


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