Exhausting NY

[E Sully]

New York has put a new law in effect severely restricting exhaust systems in the state.
My friends at Speedwerk NY are wondering how this will affect them and their customers.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/S784
" 31. Mufflers and exhaust systems. Prevention of noise. (A) Every
motor vehicle, operated or driven upon the highways of the state, shall
at all times be equipped with an adequate muffler and exhaust system in
constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or
unusual noise and no such muffler or exhaust system shall be equipped
with a cut-out, bypass, or similar device. No person shall modify the
muffler or exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will
amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor or exhaust system of
such vehicle above that emitted by the muffler or exhaust system"

[Tea Tray]

“…to prevent any excessive or
unusual noise and no such muffler or exhaust…”

Without quantifying “excessive or unusual” the law may be selectively applied to egregious violations?
“Sound testing”, IIRC, is hard to define without a specific test criteria and calibrated equipment, operator training etc.

[2.7RS]

Harleys are toasted..... hahaha.....

Nop.

[stownsen914]

Seems pretty vague, except for the specific disallowance of cutouts/bypasses. Noise level is up for interpretation then? It will depend on enforcement.

As for bypasses, I wonder what that means for factory servo activated sport sound packages like Porsche makes. (And after-market versions.)

[Flat6pac]

When the elected officials have all problems resolved, they’re able to look at the trite and resolve the major complaints.
Won’t be long before they’re offended by the noise of the tractors in the fields upstate.
Bruce

[masraum]

Reads like it's going to be used to target twats. People that run their car up to the rev limiter and hold it there. People that rev at lights for no reason, Harleys, crotch rockets, etc....

I have my doubts that this is real, but it's funny.

https://youtube.com/shorts/hoGIB5rLYMg

Lots of "look at me" rich folks as well.

[red-beard]

[john70t]

Originally Posted by E Sully

adequate muffler, properly maintained, excessive, unusual noise, modify, amplify or increase

That's what I read. YMMV

[fastfredracing]

I believe our law is worded " an effective noise suppression device " Kind of leaves it up to interpretation .
Wooo wooo !

[pwd72s]

Hmmm, wonder what they think of the factory installed "cutouts"?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

Hmmm, wonder what they think of the factory installed "cutouts"?

How many cars have those? I wouldn't think many, if any.

And just to be clear, baffles inside the muffler that open and close, or not, I don't believe, the types of cut-outs being mentioned.

Normally, an exhaust cut-out is something that bypasses the exhaust.

[Tobra]

This is a revenue generation ordinance. Probably copied it from California

[Tobra]

There already is a similar law in California

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by E Sully

"No person shall modify the muffler or exhaust system of a motor vehicle in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise emitted by the motor or exhaust system.."

I wouldn't mind seeing a similar law on the books here in CA. But trying to get authorities to enforce it is another thing altogether.

Originally Posted by Flat6pac

When the elected officials have all problems resolved, they’re able to look at the trite...

I know that some will think this is 'Big Brother' clamping down on a citizen's God-given right to make lots of noise for no good reason, but in some areas this is more of an issue than in others. One of the latest trends around here is for groups of guys from outside the local area (mostly in Camaros, Challengers & Mustangs, all with modified exhausts) to cruise around town on the weekends in a slow-moving parade. They'll keep their motors wound up in the lower gears and run 'em to the redline after every stop. I know, I know..."What's the big deal?" Not a big deal at all if out in a rural area with few people around, but if you like walking, biking, or you happen to live along one of the popular cruising routes in town, all that racket can get old pretty quick.

Originally Posted by stownsen914

As for bypasses, I wonder what that means for factory servo activated sport sound packages...

No factory sport exhaust comes even close to the noise level of some of these aftermarket kits, or from a big V-twin motorcycle or sport bike running a modified exhaust or straight pipes.

[flatbutt]

No more coffee can slip ons? YAY!!

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by Tobra

There already is a similar law in California

It's NEVER enforced. I asked a police officer about this once and he said something like, "Well, if we cite one of these guys, then we'll have to cite them all."
Gee, I'm glad they don't use the same enforcement policy on muggers, burglars, rapists, etc.

[ramonesfreak]

What exactly is new about this? Pretty sure this has been the law here for many years as I’ve received 2 tickets nearly 20 years ago regarding both my motorcycles for reasons exactly as stated in what you posted, unless this is a county specific law. I didn’t look deep enough into the reg to understand if that’s the case or not

As for how it effects businesses, as far as I can see, it doesn’t effect them any more than tinting laws effect tinting companies. Customers buy and take the risk just as I have…..although I had a local Harley dealer refuse to pass my inspection with aftermarket exhaust installed. I said what the hell are you talking about, you sold them to me and installed them you a holes

[E Sully]

Sometimes complaining to your elected officials has an effect. Seems noise is one of the biggest issues from residents calling the Police and Government.
https://www.nysenate.gov/issues/noise-complaints

The summer nights are deafening with loud exhaust 4 cylinder cars, and open pipe Harley's cruising at 2am. It will be selectively enforced of course. It can make it difficult for the yearly NYS Inspection stations.
Fortunately for me, my 1972 2 stroke Kawasaki Widowmaker is exempt.

[ramonesfreak]

Originally Posted by rcooled

It's NEVER enforced. I asked a police officer about this once and he said something like, "Well, if we cite one of these guys, then we'll have to cite them all."
Gee, I'm glad they don't use the same enforcement policy on muggers, burglars, rapists, etc.

It is here all the time. I represented a co-worker about 5 years ago who had 2 tickets in a row for his loud Subaru

[Bob Kontak]

This is all such horse shiet. Below is a casual extraction from the Ohio E-check regulations which is old as eff.

They have no staff to enforce. It's the honor system.

For example, if an empty air pump bracket needs to be removed in order to work on a
water pump, the missing air pump must be replaced.
If incorrect headers or exhaust manifolds need to be removed in order to perform work on the transmission, the proper exhaust manifolds or headers need to be replaced in order to avoid performing illegal emissions work (this includes vehicles containing test pipes rather than catalytic converters). Simply replacing the tampered part as it was when the vehicle entered the shop would be a violation of the tampering prohibition.