At least 16 injured in Brooklyn subway shooting, undetonated devices found
 

Just got home for lunch and saw this on TV.......:confused:

NO POLITICAL COMMENTS PLEASE!

At least 16 people were injured, including 10 who were shot, when a suspect set off a smoke grenade and unleashed gunfire on a Brooklyn subway train during Tuesday morning rush hour, the NYPD and law enforcement sources told The Post.

The gunman — possibly disguised as an MTA construction worker and wearing a gas mask — launched his bloody assault around 8:30 a.m. on a Manhattan-bound N train at the 36th Street station in Sunset Park, where authorities later discovered several undetonated devices, FDNY and police said.

The suspect is believed to have set off the smoke grenade moments before firing off a barrage of bullets, police sources told The Post.

More here:
https://nypost.com/2022/04/12/nypd-investigating-possible-explosion-in-brooklyn-subway-station/

Horrible.

Came in for lunch, flipped on the local news and caught the very end of their report.... simply tragic... again :(.

It is just crazy that someone can think that is something they want to do. Plan it, and go through with it.

Wow, crazy.

Lots of talk about subway utilization rates. Wonder how that is calculated and if they factor in total city population numbers (which surely have dropped) when doing so.

This is my exact thought anytime something like this happens. There are so many moments during the course of planning this kind of mayhem where a different corner could have been turned and the plot abandoned. It must take a very rare type of crazy to see an event like this from planning to completion.

I am also struck by the differences in planned exit strategies. Some know this is their final act (Mandalay Bay). Others don't seem to have thought that far in advance (Boston Marathon).

Unprovoked mass violence doesn't make any sense, yet there seem to be common themes and mechanisms. That's hard for me to wrap my head around.:confused:

Fortunately, there aren't that many crazies out there in the grand scheme. There are certainly more than we would like, of course. They are global and various factors, whether it be population density, culture, whatever probably somewhat affects their distribution. They are crazy, so expecting them to be rational and methodical is unrealistic. They may have a vision of how things will go in their head that is as crazy as they are. They may also have not thought any farther than the event. Who knows what is in their mind.

Ties to NY.

My Dad - born in Newark, NJ - grew up in Staten Island, NY. While a young family living in Norfolk, VA, we would travel to Staten Island to visit my Grandparents and Aunt Bobbie. She worked for US Steel all her life. My Grandfather - a machinist by trade - worked at the Brooklyn Shipyard. Carrying his toolbox on his shoulder (I was told) as he rode his bicycle to work each day.

My last girlfriend was from Long Island and a former girlfriend, of Cuban heritage, lived in New York for a while, before re-locating to Miami.

New Yorkers are a different breed. Resilient.

It's a freaking miracle no one was killed in the incident, the way it sounds.

Media reports of gas - but I think they mean smoke discharged. Gas would mean harmful past smoke inhalation, which in itself does a fair amount of harm.

What I always wonder in these kinds of things is someone was upset and what level of conflict resolution failed in the process.

Would like to know more about my last comment when all is said and done......

Hope they catch that nutjob and make him fry.

BTW Glocks are a piece of junk.

I just heard the gun jammed on the shooter - may explain why injuries, as bad as they were, weren't any worse.......

Mental illness rears its ugly head in many ways . I hope all that were injured a speedy recovery . The perp he can step in front of a train .

Really, Junk? Does that make Hondas and Toyotas junk too? Because they seem to fill a similar spot in the the hierarchy. There are a ton of them out there. They seem to be really reliable, even when abused. And they are pretty cheap.

You mean the mental illness excuse for actions rears its head in many ways.

Boulder prosecutors already used that one for the suspect in the King Soopers shooting, then spirited him away.

Suspect identified through the van rental/keys.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/12/nypd-investigating-possible-explosion-in-brooklyn-subway-station/

Such a sad story. Amazing nobody was killed, but how will their lives be affected over the years.

Why do criminals always leave behind a drivers license, credit card, etc.

This is just awful... Freeking madness! :confused:

According to "Twatter" the security cameras were turned off or not functioning????

It was very planned. Planned for the worst possible outcome.

I'm glad no one here has mentioned "why didn't anyone notice him" or anything like that.
I used to ride the subway to school every day, 7AM in and 9PM out. You keep a basic level of situational awareness up, but the fact is, the train is meant to be a safe place, a place where you can read the paper and drink your coffee or sleep, with your backpack wrapped in your arms so no one grabbed it. You watched for con men, and for drunks, and for the dude with his eyes rolled up in his head, no problem. Every part of society mixed on the train, rich and poor, white, black, brown, anyone, educated or not...you were all there for a reason, and everyone was cool about that.

Never ever ever would you assume or plan for some jackhole stepping on the train, tossing a smoke grenade and them lighting things up with a pistol.

Yup. Junk. They will stovepipe. It's common.

No I meant exactly what I said. Whether this was a random act or well planned in advance , you are mentally not well to think this is a good solution to your problems . Having said that in my opinion that is NOT an excuse for their actions . It is NOT a reason they shouldn't be held accountable to the full extent of the law .

What about "noticing" him outside the subway.

For example through some of his social media posts?

Because from what I am hearing, he posted some fairly inflammable remarks there about some things.

If someone was monitoring social media and looking for persons who could do harm to society - or in particular the New York community - it's possible in theory someone could have flagged this person as a potential threat to society.

Not mine. Have you owned one?

If you don't control the pistol's recoil you may get a FTE but that's on the shooter.

Completely baffled on this claim that Glocks are junk. I'm not a fan of the spongy trigger but they are absolutely one of the most reliable pistols out there.

A limp wrist can stovepipe any gun.

I would say poorly planned. He did not kill anyone, and the bombs did not detonate, if indeed they were bombs. A well planned operation would result in a lot of death. He just traumatized a lot of people, and injured several.

Hopefully they will catch him and he will resist enough to see what a well planned operation looks like.

I just wonder what did he really want to accomplish? Terrorism is the obvious answer, but to what end? Did he want to draw attention to some cause? Whatever it is, I hope the press never mentions his goal. Let him fade into the news back pages and fall out of the collective attention.

i believe they were smoke bombs.

According to what I’ve seen, most of what he had was fireworks. I cannot imagine bringing all the random crap he brought but, then again, I’m not nuts.

I think the problem with that is that there's probably 10,000 or 100,000 or even 1,000,000 nutters posting inflammatory remarks on the internet for every one nutter that actually follows through. I'm not sure that you can realistically monitor every nutter. And some of the posts say that this guy bought/rented stuff in Philly, so there's the other problem, was he expected to go postal in Philly or NYC or somewhere else. And if it NYC, where, it's a big place.

I think the FBI and LE does monitor folks on the Internet, but they probably have to pick and choose the folks that seem the most likely to be a problem, and I'm sure they are really only looking at the tip of the crazy iceberg.

Right, he tossed a smoke grenade in the train. The press to make things as exciting as possible will say that he had explosives which would be terrifying, but I think the smoke grenades, or even fireworks would qualify as "explosives." My guess is that he had more smoke grenades, but not bombs. But that's just my WAG.

Let me walk back my comments as to any offense that I may have caused you Glock guys. I don't want to offend. I do stand by my own opinion of not very reliable, but I realize that you use what works for you.

What I'll say is that yes, I shot Glocks for about 25 years until I used one of mine in a let's just say "less than ideal" non-laboratory environment. It was enough for me to dump the Glocks. I'll just leave it at that. I do recommend a shoot and evade type of class if you can find one. Put your defense package under some real stress and you find out stuff, like who is a better shot under extreme duress.

My current favs are Browning 9 and a SW99 40 cal. I value accuracy and reliability.

Don't know if this is relevant but the subway line and areas served have a high Asian and Hispanic population.

His van was found a block from my wife's office so the ladies are nervous since they all take public transportation.

Frank's days are numbered. He'll either shoot himself when confronted by the law, be found dead, as often happens with this type of cowardice.

I never have any issues with FTF or FTE with any of my revolvers . Just saying 😋

The FBI had been monitoring the suspect since 2019 due to his Black Nationalist rhetoric he had been posting on YouTube and other internet sites. He had been ranting about the mayor and other high profile persons lately.

Why no cameras were working or the lack of Metro Police in the station is appalling, especially since Mayor Adams is an ex-Metro Policeman.

Caught. You can run but you can't hide.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/04/13/brooklyn-new-york-subway-shooting-updates/7301872001/

Totally agree. Poorly planned because he's a half wit. But he sure planned to mean harm.

And I say half wit or he wouldn't have been found sauntering down a Manhattan street.

That's a start . Good work by law enforcement to catch the perp . Now let's hope the legal system takes care of the rest. No reason this guy ever has to see freedom again .

He was caught/turned in by a private citizen after being spotted at a McDonalds - not law enforcement.

From recent news reports it sounds like he actually called the tipline and turned himself
in. Probably is so delusional he thinks he can collect the reward money.