Time to do away with scholarships?

[cabmandone]

13 million... that's what Ryan Day says THE Ohio State University needs in order to keep and attract top talent. At that point, scholarships should be a thing of the past IMO. 2 million for a top QB. Top tier O and D linemen half that according to Day. That's just nuts.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/ryan-day-ohio-state-needs-dollar13m-in-nil-deals-to-prevent-players-from-transferring/ar-AAY1pBs?li=BBnbfcL

[id10t]

Maybe instead it would be better to ditch althletic scholarships and keep academic ones. If the NFL wants to use the university system as their farm league, then they can assume the costs of it.

[KFC911]

Tis gonna be me$$y..... if that's the amounts they are talking about now.... just wait .

As Cindy sang.... $$$ changes everything...

[flatbutt]

Madness. If a QB is worth $2MM in college he should be able to make good bank in the pros. I say either go to college to get the education or make room for an academically oriented student.

"Making millions while in college" he said sardonically "truly, we're domed".

[Seahawk]

The history of Name, Image and Likeness (NIL) is interesting.

https://opendorse.com/blog/what-is-name-image-and-likeness/

The NCAA could not organize a three car funeral (which will be their own) and the rules governing scholarships, player movement, NIL, coaches being able to bolt at the drop of a hat, etc. were as antiquated as they were unfair.

Since no one is really in charge, NIL is a twisty, mountain road without guardrails.

There were dozens of better ways of establishing equity but the NCAA punted on 2nd down.

[McLovin]

The whole thing was, like most things of the past few years, a step in the wrong direction.

[GH85Carrera]

I really have no idea how to do it in a fair and equitable way. I can understand a kid in college seeing the school and the NCAA making millions off of his name and image, and feeling like they should get a piece of that. But at what point do we just say, scrap the amateur BS, lets just turn college ball into pros.

Look at Alabama's training facility. It rivals and beats some of the pros facilities. Any kid that has talent wants to be in the first class facility. How can a smaller school have a chance?

Just scrap the current system force the pros to kick in a fee for every draftee back to the schools, and call it a farm team. Like the Olympics, forget amateur, and go all pro with it. And when the big schools play some little tiny school for homecoming, to get a easy win, pay that small school as much as the big team.

[CalPersFatCat]

I have been a football season ticket holder at the U of Cincinnati since Brian Kelly was the head coach. ( I lived in SoCal when Kelly came to Cincy). This year, I dropped the tickets. College Football is done. I will spend money traveling to away games from now on and enjoy the travel part of the experience. I don't expect to "win" again after this year.

We can't compete with the big schools on money. We are good because we get local kids to stay home. Take that away, and we are dead.

It was fun while it lasted.

Instead, I blew $12k joining the Motorsports Country Club of Cincinnati and bought a brand new brand new IAME KA100. (I ran a 125 shifter at Adams and Perris in California. nobody runs shifters in SW Ohio Region. I don't really know why.)

https://mcckarting.com

I will watch the home games on TV and travel to interesting away games. We play Arkansas to open the season and I've never been to the U of Arkansas... Then next year we will probably be in the Big 12, so that will be a bunch of nice away games to visit...

I'm not interested in Pro sports, other than the Reds as a social event. It really disappoints me that they have ruined college football. I wish that they would simply form a Pro 18-22 year league and remove colleges from the equation. If a player fails at the Pro 18-22 year league, then let him come back to college on a regular athletic scholarship and be a regular college student.

DL

[Evans, Marv]

This situation of ever spiraling up with pay, endorsements, etc. for & by college/university players should have been anticipated and expectecd. That's the way things go. College & universities are obese with money. The scholarships, loan programs, grants, etc. over the years have increased the general cost of education, since the educational institutions have increased fees & costs to increase & absorb all those funds. When I went to "junior college," it cost $50 per semester plus books & fees. At the college (now uiniveristy) I finished up at, it cost $97 a semester plus books & fees. I could work & pay my way. Now you pay for the same education at the rate of thousands a semester - at public schools.

[pwd72s]

"Student athlete"...Is that what they call an oxymoron?

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by id10t

Maybe instead it would be better to ditch althletic scholarships and keep academic ones. If the NFL wants to use the university system as their farm league, then they can assume the costs of it.

My bad on the title. I should have said athletic scholarships.

I'm doing some reading on the subject. I don't see where there's a ceiling.

[GH85Carrera]

How long before some college kid just retires from college football as a mega millionaire to avoid a pay cut of the getting drafted to a small pro team.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

"Student athlete"...Is that what they call an oxymoron?

No, I was one.

Then I got hurt.

BTW, you want to match wits, Paul, with this oxymoron?

You do know that athletic scholarships are year to year, right? Get hurt, see ya.

You do know that college scholarship athletes can't work at a job, right, but those on academic scholarships can?

You do know there was money being exchanged regardless, right?

You do know that college coaches have been able to move, quit, with impunity, take another job at Whatsamatter U (after telling their recruits they bleed State U, will never leave) for decades, right?

You do know that the Alabama's of the world over recruit and hide players, effectively ending any chance for development.

You do know what NIL means, right, Paul?

When you are ready to get serious, let me know.

[jcwade]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

"truly, we're domed".

[Baz]

One by one the last bastions of the world are being brought down by greed......

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Baz

One by one the last bastions of the world are being brought down by greed......

Who's greed, Baz?

It was never fair.

[pwd72s]

Why get serious? About college football, I mean. So many more important things to get serious about...

I really don't have a clue about NIL...care to explain?

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by pwd72s

Why get serious? About college football, I mean. So many more important things to get serious about...

I really don't have a clue about NIL...care to explain?

You decided to call student athletes "oxymoron's", not me. That pisses me off since nothing could be farther from the truth.

I provided a link in an earlier post on this thread. Read it.

Here is the deal, Paul: It is serious and it is important. Because you don't have a clue doesn't make it less so. All students who receive scholarship in ANY discipline have worked hard and sacrificed to get in a position to earn one.

The "field" has been tilted for far too long and I for one am joyous at the prospect of the Saban's of the world no longer able to put their thumb on young men for their own vanity.

Player movement is the key.

[KFC911]

Paul you were obviously gifted both academically and with athletic talent.

What would you say about a star football player who was on scholarship for four years, eventually playing for the NY Giants and left college still being unable to read at a functional level? I knew him fwiw....

The other Paul's point is just as valid as yours.... for a significant number of football and b-ball "students" imo.

I guess he struck a nerve....

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by KC911

What would you say about a star football player who was on scholarship for four years, eventually playing for the NY Giants and left college still being unable to read at a functional level? I knew him fwiw....

I would say, like I always do in these cases, that the school was to blame, both in matriculation of the "student" and continuing to keep him on scholarship. They knew that if he didn't play for them, he'd play for another school.

College football and basketball are businesses. To pretend otherwise is a bit naive. The school, a business, brought him in and failed him as a person.

What would you have preferred the person you referenced above have done?

Originally Posted by KC911

The other Paul's point is just as valid as yours.... for a significant number of football and b-ball "students" imo.

No. His point wasn't a point, it was an accusation without particular merit.

After I was hurt, I tutored the football players at my university as well as two JC's to make money. I have seen the absolute bottom of the scholastic curve doing so. But the percentages of that were low in my experience and the desire, and recognition of their academic deficiencies was very positive, especially with the JC kids who wanted to get to the next level.

I played football in HS: B+ talent in an A+ world. What shocked me, and if you haven't seen it up close it is jarring, is the absolute mayhem on a college football field. These young men are in multiple car crashes every week for months.

So, when you talk intellect and your experience in college, people you knew, get hit like they do and, in pain, go excel in class.

Originally Posted by KC911

I guess he struck a nerve....

Don't guess, he did.

I actually wrote the NCAA a letter explaining what needs to be done. The players were Serfs, they are not anymore and for the life of me I can't figure out why we all do not applaud them.