Drive with two hands.

[DonDavis]

Certainly sounds like something is out of whack.

Take it in, for sure.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Been a long day.

So when i said he drove with both hands i didn’t mean just hands at 10-2 I meant actively using both hands at the same time controlling the wheel with equal force.

We were at his apt moving him in and went out to dinner so I drove.

I think i figured it out.

I tried driving the same as him and oddly enough the car feels like it has lobe like a cam in the steering rack.

Kind of hard to explain but there is a resistance change dead center at the top of the lobe.

There’s no flat spot if that makes sense.

It’s impossible to keep the car dead center exerting equal pressure on both sides simultaneously.

There’s nothing wrong with the car, i think that’s just they way it is.

2019 Kia Soul with 40k on it.

It almost feels like it’s intentionally there to help mitigate FWD torque steer.

It’ll just fall over to the other side no matter what leading to the constant correction

I believe i understand exactly what you mean. That's VERY weird, and it sounds like there's some sort of issue, because there shouldn't be increased resistance at dead center. I would expect that to be the area of least resistance.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Tires are fine.

I don’t let my family drive janky ****.

Could be an alignment issue, incorrect camber. That’s a thing to check.

But it doesn’t do it when using only one hand, right or left, as the main steering input.

That's REALLY weird.

Does it have some sort of active lane management? IE, it will bump you back if you start to wander to the other lane?

[DonDavis]

I think I also understand what Scott's describing. Sounds like he's driving a mid '70s land yacht with bad shocks/bushings/alignment, etc.

I would go test drive another same 2019 Kia Soul as a comparison.

Way too new to have that janky handling.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by DonDavis

I think I also understand what Scott's describing. Sounds like he's driving a mid '70s land yacht with bad shocks/bushings/alignment, etc.

I would go test drive another same 2019 Kia Soul as a comparison.

Way too new to have that janky handling.

I picture it as kind of like trying to rotate an engine to TDC. When you get it to TDC, it wants to fall off to either side. Or trying to open a door to exactly the wrong spot so that the detent makes it open a little more or close some.

But I'm confused about the fact that he only experiences it when using 2 hands, but not 1 hand. That's the real head scratcher.

[911 Rod]

You are complaining about him having 2 hands on the wheel?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

You are complaining about him having 2 hands on the wheel?

He's complaining because despite him having 2 hands on the wheel, he felt like the kid was weaving back and forth. Now he's driven it and understands because he had the same experience, but only when driven with 2 hands. When he drives with just one hand, it doesn't do it.

[911 Rod]

^^^ Ah. Makes sense now.

[shadowjack1]

Back in my youth I met Sterling Moss, I was all of 14 years old. He told us kids to drive with hands at the 10-2 position. So when I started driving this is what I did, 57 years ago. Took several driving schools since then. I tried the 9-3 thing, Just could not get used to it. I still try but------.
I have never been in a wreck.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by masraum

I picture it as kind of like trying to rotate an engine to TDC. When you get it to TDC, it wants to fall off to either side. Or trying to open a door to exactly the wrong spot so that the detent makes it open a little more or close some.

But I'm confused about the fact that he only experiences it when using 2 hands, but not 1 hand. That's the real head scratcher.

Pretty much, two hands actively steering it doesn’t want to sit dead center.

Only one hand actively steering it doesn’t do it.

It’s a pretty small window and as i’ve said feels like a change in resistance from the pump.

Only thing that makes sense is to compensate for that little bit of torque steer all FWD cars impart.

[DonDavis]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

There’s nothing wrong with the car, i think that’s just they way it is.

2019 Kia Soul with 40k on it.

Have you ever driven that car before?

What you describe sounds like something has changed.

If he hit a curb, would he tell you?

[stevej37]

Just to be sure...we're not talking about the 'lane mitigation feature' on the car?

If I just barely touch the white fog line with my Civic the wheel shakes until the car is centered in the lane.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by DonDavis

Have you ever driven that car before?

What you describe sounds like something has changed.

If he hit a curb, would he tell you?

I’ve driven it more than he has.

Used it as my daily driver for a year while he was away at school.

[DonDavis]

Are you saying it drives the same now?

[mattdavis11]

I've been thinking about getting the boy a Brodie knob. He jacks that wheel all the way up and drives with one hand.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by stevej37

Just to be sure...we're not talking about the 'lane mitigation feature' on the car?

If I just barely touch the white fog line with my Civic the wheel shakes until the car is centered in the lane.

That sounds horrible!

My wifes Outback has lane management. 99% of the time, it's pretty seemless. Every once in a while, I feel the wheel move against me when I haven't veered toward an edge. The wheel never shakes though. Any motion from the lane management is smooth.

Hell, sometimes it feels like the car is actively steering around a corner. If I let go of the wheel, after a few secs the car will tell me to grab the wheel again. I have to assume that it must occasionally "nudge" the wheel to see if there's resistance, and if there's not, it assumes no one is holding the wheel.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I’ve driven it more than he has.

Used it as my daily driver for a year while he was away at school.

Did it do that during the year that you were driving it or did you never drive it with two hands during that year ?

My thought is that when driving with one hand, you don't have as much control as with two, so the issue is still there, but you don't notice. But clearly, I haven't driven that car, and that's just me diagnosing over the Internet.

Please don't be offended. I work in the kind of job where pretty much all of us question our colleagues when they come to us with a problem that sounds weird like yours does until we independently confirm it (trust but verify). We are all good enough at our jobs at this point that 99.9% of the time, "the other guy" was right and we all end up scratching our heads because the problem is "that weird". But that other .1% of the time, someone has had a brain fart or something, and the "verify" part reveals the problem to the second party and it wasn't weird. I actually suspect if I drove the car, I'd end up going "wow, WTF?!? It does exactly what you said."

[john70t]

Not sure if it was asked..
But does it happen on straights, or long curves, or both?

(Bad caster vs. PS pump burping/failing vs. Basic design vs. something other)

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by masraum

That sounds horrible!

My wifes Outback has lane management. 99% of the time, it's pretty seemless. Every once in a while, I feel the wheel move against me when I haven't veered toward an edge. The wheel never shakes though. Any motion from the lane management is smooth.

Hell, sometimes it feels like the car is actively steering around a corner. If I let go of the wheel, after a few secs the car will tell me to grab the wheel again. I have to assume that it must occasionally "nudge" the wheel to see if there's resistance, and if there's not, it assumes no one is holding the wheel.

The feature in the Honda is a gentle shake of the wheel...it doesn't affect the steering at all. It can be defeated easily.

I like it...I leave mine on all the time because it has taught me to keep my attention on the road better.

[911 Rod]

How is it in the rain?
My E36 M3 was scary in the rain because the rear trailing arms bushings (RTABS) were toast. You could barely keep it in-between the lines in the rain. Couldn't really notice it in the dry.