Another airshow crash, this one in Texas
 

Very little information available right now, so most of the reports so far are probably wrong, but a B-17 Flying Fortress and a Kingcobra are apparently involved.

All my best regards to everyone involved. Not a good Veteran's day weekend...

Edit, sorry, I'm late to the show; didn't see that the Aircraft thread already had this news up and going. Mods, maybe remove this post?

Dallas area?

The Commemorative Airforce is having their Wings Over Dallas this weekend. B17 Texas Raiders was scheduled to be there. A King Cobra was also scheduled.

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Damn.

Wow that really sucks. Looks like the smaller plane was at fault.
Anyone know what aircrafts were involved?

Wow, really horrible.

And yes, looks like the little guy "rear ended" the big fella.

B-17 “Texas Raiders” and a P63.

I suspected it was the B17. I don't think that one will buff out.:(

Looked like the P63 was doing twice the speed of the B-17

Another angle:

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Godspeed to those involved, and prayers for their loved ones. Unbelievable.


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That's horrifying! :( ... How many people were on the planes?

Initial reports are five on the B-17 and one in the P-63.

Just horrible to watch . RIP for those lost and peace to their loved ones .

Very horrible

Oh my gosh that is terrible. How does something like this happen. I'm pretty sure that the mock dogfights are choreographed right? Maybe their speeds were off or something? So sad for the people involved also, prayers for the families.

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Nsfw.

http://imgur.com/a/KwysDNP

Looking at the crash from that angle... IMO the pilot of the smaller plane could see the larger plane and he had plenty of time to avoid the crash. All he had to do was pull up. :confused:

There will be no way to definitively know, but the P-63 pilot may have been looking left and not noticed or expected the B-17 until it was too late (if at all).

Damn. I got this from them way back when they were still the "Confederate Air Force" looks like the same plane.

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Looks like the smaller plane cut across inside the circle that was doing fly-bys. If so, small mistake in judgement, terrible consequences.

Horrifying and very sad.....condolences to all affected......:(

Terrible

Prayers and thoughts to the families of the folks involved.

Cheers

Simply tragic... I don't need to see the video.

RIP and peace to all connected....

God, that's horrible. :(

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The fighters were following each other. The bombers were outside of their path.
The P-63 pilot was probably watching the P-51 in front of him and missed the huge bomber right in front of him.

R.I.P. to all involved and sincere sadness for all their families.

Trying to keep those old aircraft flying is a labor of love.
Not meaning to sound callous, but they died doing what they loved.

I've been in that B-17. They would have a tiny airshow at West Houston Airport. Several of the CAF planes are stored there, nothing too fancy. But they would fly some of the other planes over and have them sit on the ground. Really fun to be able to get to touch the planes. They flew a few of them around at times.

So sad the pilots were killed. But also the loss of that history. So few of the planes are still flying.

This happens far too often at air shows. Crashes in general is what I mean. This one seems hard to explain and of course we can't ask the pilot but it's a big sky...how on earth do you just fly right into another (huge) plane like that? :confused:

The P 63 is a low wing aircraft.... Pilot has no visibility of what is below him. He would have been watching the P51 that he was following as he was manuevering to make the left hand turn. I doubt he ever saw the B17 as he hit it. Thankfully the end came quick being so close to the ground. So tragic.

My wife and kids were almost hit in a similar incident about 20 years ago when we were leaving a busy local grass strip fly-in. An old WW2 pilot friend saw us leaving the flyin and he decided to turn down to us to to fly up along side. He was in a descending turn and was in a Grumman Yankee low wing. He obviously lost sight of us and swept past from behind and above at high speed. I never saw him coming but my windshield suddenly completely filled with a flash of the gray color of his airplane.... To this day I do not know whether his tail missed us by 10" or 10'. It was very similar to situation in Texas. It gives me the willies just thinking about it to this day.

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Lots more info in this thread.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1034871-all-things-aviation-related-49.html

This seems to be a fairly sensible analysis of what MIGHT have happened, by someone with a good knowledge of the aircraft, examining the visual evidence. I think his final description of the P-63 flight path and the sight limitations of the cockpit (and the why) are very interesting;

The number of planes in the 2 parades was kind of shocking to me; that must be a traffic control nightmare.

It's going to take a lot of time, many months, before we have a reasonably accurate depiction of events. Once agin, my heartfelt regrets and sympathy to all the families of all the victims.

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Scroll ahead to about 22.0 for Dan's take on this.
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My wife's physical therapist knew the crew . He and his wife are WWII buffs and go to many events and simulated scenarios . They were heartbroken as they were recently at an event with that specific crew . So very sad .

This was a very good explanation of things and I like how he explains how in formations, rule #1 never show them your belly.

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The preliminary report is out and boy, do I have questions.

https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/106276/pdf

Let me guess... Soros?

I have heard the "Air Boss" was not very qualified. His dad had retired from that position and he stepped in to fill it. Did I hear nepotism?