Bubbly lady competition spoon user video

[masraum]

Seems nice and down to earth. I thought this was an interesting video since I'm not familiar with race spoons, the 1# weight and thumb rest is interesting. I'm not surprised by the weight, but I wasn't expecting the thumb rest.

[pwd72s]

I'd like to have her in my living room, glock in hand, should bad guys start to kick in the door...

[Seahawk]

She is just terrific. They both were, frankly.

Thanks!

[Jeff Higgins]

What fun! I'm a huge Colin Noir fan, and I think I just became a fan of Michelle Viscusi as well.

I haven't followed IPSC (International Practical Shooting Conference) for many, many years. I actually used to shoot some local matches way back when. They are an awful lot of fun.

Some of you might be wondering what "major" means. It's in reference to a "power factor", wherein to be awarded full points for your hits on target you must be shooting a "major" caliber. They use a "power factor" calculated with bullet weight, diameter, and velocity. This "power factor" is heavily weighted to the .45 ACP, which should come as no surprise when we learn that the late, great Col Jeff Cooper has a big say in it. He was all about "use enough gun", and had nothing good to say about "minor" calibers, such as the 9mm, as defensive rounds.

So, essentially, a "10" on the target gets 10 points, but only if it's with a "major" caliber. You only get eight points for the same hit with a 9mm. A hot .40 S&W load will "make major", but the 9mm simply cannot be loaded hot enough. When I was playing, lots of guys were loading the bejeebers out of their .38 Supers, to a dangerous level, actually. Thank God that's stopped.

The other big change over the years is in what qualifies as a "practical" pistol. When I played, we essentially used real world defensive sidearms. Ross Seyfried won the 1981 World Championship in Johannesburg shooting this gun, carried in a plain Safariland leather holster, like we would carry on the street.



Today, competitors are shooting "race guns" like this. Hardly "practical" by any measure. And look at the "holster" worn by Ms. Viscusi. I wish they would go back to "practical". They've kind of lost their way. Still a fun game, I'm sure, but the original intent has been lost - bring your carry gun and learn to shoot it through competing with it.

[sc_rufctr]

I'd describe that lady as competent. Nicely Done but the thumb rest. Wouldn't that get caught up?

- Colion Noir is a lawyer. "Big" 2A guy.

[Skytrooper]

I shoot USPSA. IPSC is a branch of USPSA. I use an open sight STI 1911 with the only modification being the magwell. I am shooting 9mm Minor, single stack division with that. I also shoot a Walther PDP in the Carry Optics division, also 9mm Minor. On top of all that I am a National Range Officer. So, not only do I shoot, but officiate matches also.
I keep it inexpensive and fun. I will never buy an race gun. I am happy shooting what I have now.

[Jeff Higgins]

Wow - like I said, I haven't followed IPSC for years, so I have to ask - just how many "divisions", or classes, are there today?

The day it became a game, with dedicated equipment designed by the gamesmen to win the game, I lost interest. It was supposed to be practice with our carry guns.

[Skytrooper]

For me it is exactly "Practice with my carry guns". That is another reason why I am personally not into race guns. The belts and holsters are not what you would use for normal carry either.
There is ...I think...8 divisions currently; production, limited, carry optics, single stack, limited 10, revolver, PCC, and open. All in Major or Minor Power Factor.
I practice dry fire everyday and live fire every 3 days...for the most part. It helps in the live fire department that I have my own hooting range with 3 target stands, bullet traps and massive 3 sided log berm.
I like the mental aspect of the competitions. Memorizing each stage and how you want to approach it keeps the gray matter working to potential.

I would suggest to anybody that these are great ways to get very familiar and comfortable with your home defense weapon of choice. Do not worry about the competition side until you want to, if you ever want to compete. Just hone you handling skills.

[berettafan]

Fun watch. Can't imagine a pound of weight on the muzzle end!

[masraum]

Originally Posted by berettafan

Fun watch. Can't imagine a pound of weight on the muzzle end!

certainly not for carrying into Walmart or HD.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

I'd describe that lady as competent. Nicely Done but the thumb rest. Wouldn't that get caught up?

- Colion Noir is a lawyer. "Big" 2A guy.

No, on the Glock it's on the rail below the slide.

[berettafan]

i think he means on a holster.

if that is correct the doodads on the guns don't get caught up on those skeleton style holsters. look closely at it on her hip. entirely open design.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by berettafan

i think he means on a holster.

if that is correct the doodads on the guns don't get caught up on those skeleton style holsters. look closely at it on her hip. entirely open design.

Yep, I don't think they are really designed to do the same job as a regular holster. Hopefully, they cover the trigger. I'm not going to review the video to find out.

Yes, those aren't exactly CC spoons for several reason.

It's interesting the holster seems to have a pointed shaft that goes into the barrel of the gun. I'd always thought that was a no-no, but maybe it's plastic or wood, not metal.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Skytrooper

For me it is exactly "Practice with my carry guns". That is another reason why I am personally not into race guns. The belts and holsters are not what you would use for normal carry either.
There is ...I think...8 divisions currently; production, limited, carry optics, single stack, limited 10, revolver, PCC, and open. All in Major or Minor Power Factor.
I practice dry fire everyday and live fire every 3 days...for the most part. It helps in the live fire department that I have my own hooting range with 3 target stands, bullet traps and massive 3 sided log berm.
I like the mental aspect of the competitions. Memorizing each stage and how you want to approach it keeps the gray matter working to potential.

I would suggest to anybody that these are great ways to get very familiar and comfortable with your home defense weapon of choice. Do not worry about the competition side until you want to, if you ever want to compete. Just hone you handling skills.

I'm encouraged to hear that, and it sounds like we are on the same page.

All of the shooting sports began as practice with "real" guns. And every one of them has allowed the gamesmen to evolve their firearms into the most useless contrivances imaginable. Hunters' Rifle Silhouette was another favorite of mine. Bring your damn hunting rifle, stand on your hind legs and shoot it like a man. Targets are steel cutouts (silhouettes) of farmyard animals. Chicken at 200, meters, pig at 300, turkey at 385, ram at 500. Have to knock them over to score, thereby imposing somewhat of a "power factor".

Well, one David Tubb ruined the whole damn thing with his "chin gun". There used to be some great photos of him (and others) on the web shooting these things but, for whatever reason, I can't find them. This is the best I could do. This is supposed to a "hunting" rifle, mind you. Notice the muzzle weight, the height of the scope, and where his chin is placed. His scope was even higher, and radically offset to one side, so he could clamp the buttstock under his armpit, between his bicep and ribcage. This provides a bit of an idea, though:

[Skytrooper]

Yeah, he has "gone South" from what the sport was originally meant to be, same thing with the race guns...one guy shows up with one and the next shoot there will be a bunch of them. It takes away from the true aspect of what the intended purpose of the sport was. I see way too many knot heads that think the more expensive the gun...the better they will shoot. This is wrong on so many levels. If you cannot shoot well with an "off the shelf" gun, throwing money at it will NOT make you better. Practice, practice, practice....that is what makes people better shooters, and buying a gun that actually fits them and is comfortable in their hands. I see idiots at every match that are completely overwhelmed by their gun. The result ? They shoot terribly, have no fun and are jackasses about my rulings.

Yes, Jeff...we are very like minded !

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

I'm encouraged to hear that, and it sounds like we are on the same page.

All of the shooting sports began as practice with "real" guns. And every one of them has allowed the gamesmen to evolve their firearms into the most useless contrivances imaginable. Hunters' Rifle Silhouette was another favorite of mine. Bring your damn hunting rifle, stand on your hind legs and shoot it like a man. Targets are steel cutouts (silhouettes) of farmyard animals. Chicken at 200, meters, pig at 300, turkey at 385, ram at 500. Have to knock them over to score, thereby imposing somewhat of a "power factor".

Well, one David Tubb ruined the whole damn thing with his "chin gun". There used to be some great photos of him (and others) on the web shooting these things but, for whatever reason, I can't find them. This is the best I could do. This is supposed to a "hunting" rifle, mind you. Notice the muzzle weight, the height of the scope, and where his chin is placed. His scope was even higher, and radically offset to one side, so he could clamp the buttstock under his armpit, between his bicep and ribcage. This provides a bit of an idea, though:

People are competitive, and when you get competitive people together, some, the most competitive will often look at ways to win. I imagine than unlike cycling and other sports, there probably aren't many drugs that you can take to enhance your shooting. So if you can't enhance yourself, you enhance your tool. The same way that Porsche reads the rule books and breaks the spirit of the rule, but not the letter of the rules, guys will change their spoon to make it easier for them to win.

I'd rather shoot a regular old spoon, but then I'm not that competitive.


So you're saying these aren't hunting rifles? You don't rest your face on the top of the stock of your hunting rifle? Is that bad?

[Jeff Higgins]

While those photos do in fact show David Tubb, they do not show Hunters' Rifle Silhouette class rifles. Those are all High Power class "over the course" rifles, and entirely different shooting discipline. Mr. Tubb is holding them in the conventional manner, with his cheek and chin on the near side of the stock. With his "chin gun", he used to hang his chin over the far side of the stock to help pull the rifle into his rib cage. I wish I could find a photo on line. I bet they were embarrassing enough that he took them all down...

[berettafan]

Mas a beta blocker would improve my scores.