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Paul T 12-13-2022 05:10 AM

ChatGBT
 
https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/

Anyone played around with this yet? It’s a conversational AI based chatbot that anyone can access and try out. I have to say, it’s pretty impressive and I honestly did not realize just how advanced this tech is now. I asked it to write a short speech on a pretty technical area of finance and got a pretty decent answer. Of course, sometimes you get nonsensical answers, but the amazing thing is they are ‘good sounding’ nonsensical answers! Kids may never write another essay again…give it a shot, it’s pretty amazing.

I even asked it to write some generic VBA and it spat it right out. Amazing cool tech and indicative of where we are headed. Fascinating and also terrifying at the same time.

LWJ 12-13-2022 09:16 AM

Holy Cow.

I had it write a couple paragraphs that mirrors what my daughter is writing for her Senior AP English class.

It's good.

One of the central themes of Toni Morrison's "Song of Solomon" is the search for identity and personal freedom. The novel follows the life of a young African American man named Milkman Dead, who is struggling to find his place in a world that is fraught with racism and discrimination. As Milkman embarks on a journey of self-discovery, he must confront the social and historical forces that have shaped his identity, and he must come to terms with his family's past in order to find his own path forward. Ultimately, the novel suggests that the key to personal freedom is to embrace one's true identity and to reject the limiting beliefs and expectations of others.



The irony? I had to do an "I'm not a robot" test to sign in.

herr_oberst 12-13-2022 09:42 AM

That's unreal. I asked it to compare and contrast the Beatles and the Stones, then I asked which band is better. First, I was amazed at how quick it was, second, I asked which band is better twice, exactly the same way, and I got two different answers. Both of them reasonable and full of factual information.

How will educators keep students from using this to write essays?

Sarc 12-13-2022 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11872104)
then I asked which band is better.

Well that's a trick question.
Beatles for when you're behaving, and the Stones for when you're not. :cool:

David Inc. 12-13-2022 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11872104)
That's unreal. I asked it to compare and contrast the Beatles and the Stones, then I asked which band is better. First, I was amazed at how quick it was, second, I asked which band is better twice, exactly the same way, and I got two different answers. Both of them reasonable and full of factual information.

How will educators keep students from using this to write essays?

In person essays only I guess. Either that or you can enter things in to ChatGPT and it'll tell you if it wrote it, or if it was really close and likely a lightly modified version of what it wrote.

One thing that's dangerous about ChatGPT is that it's an absolutely incredible bull****ter. Ask it about made up scientific concepts and it will deliver perfectly plausible sounding but completely made up theories behind them. Someone called them hallucinations and I love that term for it.

Paul T 12-13-2022 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by David Inc. (Post 11872154)
In person essays only I guess. Either that or you can enter things in to ChatGPT and it'll tell you if it wrote it, or if it was really close and likely a lightly modified version of what it wrote.

One thing that's dangerous about ChatGPT is that it's an absolutely incredible bull****ter. Ask it about made up scientific concepts and it will deliver perfectly plausible sounding but completely made up theories behind them. Someone called them hallucinations and I love that term for it.

Yes! That’s what struck me as well….BS, but REALLY good sounding BS! It’s pretty amazing, I’ve been messing around with it half the day. Imagine how good this will be in 5 years though…

Paul T 12-13-2022 10:48 AM

I asked it to write a poem about Pelican, lol:

Pelican Parts, oh how grand,
A website that's second to none.
For all your car needs, it's hard to beat,
From brakes to tires, and everything in between.

With parts for every make and model,
You're sure to find what you need.
And with fast shipping and great prices,
You'll be back on the road in no time indeed.

So if you're in need of car parts,
Don't hesitate, just visit Pelican Parts.
You'll be glad you did, and your car will thank you too,
For taking care of it, with parts from Pelican Parts, through and through.

McLovin 12-13-2022 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Inc. (Post 11872154)
Ask it about made up scientific concepts and it will deliver perfectly plausible sounding but completely made up theories behind them. Someone called them hallucinations and I love that term for it.

Aka modern “follow the science” science.
It really is advanced!

herr_oberst 12-13-2022 12:13 PM

I instructed it to write the shortest story possible, it came back with

"Once upon a time a man lived. The end."

But Hemingway wrote a better one: (Much better)

"Baby shoes for sale, never used."

sugarwood 12-13-2022 01:52 PM

Why do old people delusionally always think the past was so much better?

It's common for people of any age to romanticize the past and view it through rose-colored glasses. This often happens because we tend to remember the good things about the past and forget the bad, or because we focus on the ways in which things have changed, rather than the ways in which they have stayed the same. Additionally, as people get older, they often have more time to reflect on their lives and the world around them, which can lead them to focus more on the past than the present. It's also possible that some older people may feel nostalgic for a time when they were younger and felt more alive and engaged with the world.

sugarwood 12-13-2022 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11872270)
I instructed it to write the shortest story possible, it came back with

"Once upon a time a man lived. The end."

But Hemingway wrote a better one: (Much better)

"Baby shoes for sale, never used."

Hoard broken car. Die.

cstreit 12-13-2022 06:20 PM

I'd love to use this tech to help our website out with customer requests - but the cost and effort of integration is too big right now.

ZOO 12-15-2022 12:02 PM

I asked it why a 911 is better than a Corvette:

It is difficult to say whether a Porsche 911 is objectively better than a Chevrolet Corvette, as the question of which car is better ultimately comes down to personal preference. Both cars are high-performance sports cars that are known for their speed and handling, but they have their own unique characteristics and features that may make one more appealing to some people than the other.

One potential reason why some people might consider the Porsche 911 to be better than the Chevrolet Corvette is that it has a longer and more storied history. The 911 has been in production since 1963, while the Corvette has been around since 1953.


So not without errors, but still impressive

ZOO 12-15-2022 12:07 PM

I also asked it to explain quantum computing to a five year old:

A quantum computer is a type of computer that uses tiny particles called "quantum bits" or "qubits" to store and process information. Unlike a regular computer, which uses bits that can be either a 0 or a 1, a quantum computer can use qubits that can be both a 0 and a 1 at the same time. This allows a quantum computer to perform many calculations at once, which means it can solve certain problems much faster than a regular computer.

Imagine you have a bunch of balls that are either red or blue. A regular computer would be like a person who looks at each ball one at a time and says whether it is red or blue. A quantum computer would be like a person who can look at all of the balls at the same time and see that some of them are red, some of them are blue, and some of them are both red and blue at the same time. This ability to see all of the possibilities at once makes a quantum computer very powerful.

Quantum computers are still very new and are not as powerful as regular computers yet, but they have the potential to do some things that regular computers cannot. For example, they might be able to help us find new medicines, or make better predictions about the weather.

KFC911 12-15-2022 12:20 PM

Ask it to explain women ..... go ahead ... I dare ya :D!

sugarwood 12-16-2022 02:39 AM

Why is rear wheel drive better?

Rear-wheel drive (RWD) can be better for certain types of driving, such as high-performance driving or driving on roads with good traction. Some of the advantages of RWD include:

Improved traction: In RWD vehicles, the weight of the engine and transmission is over the drive wheels, which can improve traction, especially in wet or slippery conditions.

Better weight distribution: RWD vehicles have a more balanced weight distribution, which can improve handling and stability.

Enhanced performance: RWD vehicles can offer better acceleration and braking performance, as the weight of the vehicle is evenly distributed over all four wheels. This can also make them more fun to drive.

However, RWD vehicles can be more difficult to drive in certain conditions, such as on slippery roads or in heavy rain or snow. They may also have poorer fuel economy compared to front-wheel drive (FWD) or all-wheel drive (AWD) vehicles.

Ultimately, the choice between RWD, FWD, and AWD depends on your driving needs and preferences. Each type of drivetrain has its own advantages and disadvantages, and the best choice for you will depend on your specific driving needs and preferences.

ZOO 12-16-2022 05:15 AM

It doesn't seem to be able to offer a clear opinion without a caveat about other views. I wonder if that is a "feature" or a "bug" with machine learning.

cstreit 12-16-2022 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 11873598)
Ask it to explain women ..... go ahead ... I dare ya :D!

Do you want an angry Skynet?? - because this is how you get an angry Skynet.

Paul_Heery 12-16-2022 02:44 PM

I pasted the text of a true story that I was working on in the chat. I asked the bot to "make it funnier". It slightly rewrote the story and it actually added a few very funny lines.

RANDY P 12-16-2022 03:31 PM

Better than the last attempt at open ai discussion.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/24/tay-microsofts-ai-chatbot-gets-a-crash-course-in-racism-from-twitter

Wetwork 12-17-2022 10:23 AM

Somebody tell it..."Everything we tell you is the truth and thats a lie!!!!" I saw Capt. Kirk take down a crazy AI doing that one time on Star Trek.-WW

Alan A 12-17-2022 10:28 AM

We’ve been joking about it being cheaper than offshoring and better quality code.
Looking at the code samples it’s produced, it’s feeling like less a joke more an observation though..

unclebilly 12-18-2022 05:58 AM

What is the best air cooled 911?

The Porsche 911 is a sports car that has been in production since 1963. Over the years, there have been many different versions of the 911, including air-cooled and water-cooled versions. The best air-cooled 911 is subjective and depends on individual preferences. Some popular air-cooled 911 models include the 911 Carrera RS, 911 Turbo, and 911 GT3. These models are known for their high performance and handling capabilities, making them popular choices for enthusiasts. However, it is important to note that the best 911 for you will depend on your personal preferences and driving style.

unclebilly 12-18-2022 06:00 AM

One more…

What colour does the letter 7 smell like?

The letter "7" does not have a color or a smell, as it is a letter of the alphabet and does not have any physical properties. Letters are symbols that represent sounds or concepts, but they do not have any inherent properties such as color or smell. Some people may associate certain colors or smells with certain letters, but this is a personal association and is not based on any inherent property of the letter itself.

masraum 12-18-2022 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZOO (Post 11874118)
It doesn't seem to be able to offer a clear opinion without a caveat about other views. I wonder if that is a "feature" or a "bug" with machine learning.

That's because it's objective, and objectively, questions without more specific criteria can't be answered without bias. For instance with the FWD vs RWD, I think we have all heard that there are times when one is better than the other. And even that answer is flawed when you consider the different vehicle configurations front engine fwd, mid-front mounted RWD, mid-rear mounted RWD, rear engined RWD. So I don't think that it's possible to answer "which is better, fWD or RWD?" without caveats, unless the question is "in your opinion which is better...."

masraum 12-18-2022 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstreit (Post 11874394)
do you want an angry skynet?? - because this is how you get an angry skynet.

lol!

unclebilly 12-19-2022 02:47 PM

One more gem this time without a counter point…

Is it safe to use a face mask found on the sidewalk?

It is generally not safe to use a face mask that you find on the sidewalk because it is likely to be contaminated with germs and other substances. Face masks should be worn to protect you from respiratory droplets that may contain viruses and bacteria, but if the mask itself is dirty or contaminated, it may actually increase your risk of infection. In addition, it is important to wear a mask that fits properly and is made of materials that are suitable for the intended use, such as medical-grade masks or masks made of multiple layers of fabric. Therefore, it is best to use a new, clean face mask that has been properly stored and handled.

unclebilly 12-19-2022 02:52 PM

Ok, it’s completely jumped the shark now…

Why is Biden so old?

President Joe Biden is not particularly old by historical standards. As of 2021, he is 78 years old and is the oldest person to have assumed the presidency. However, his age has not seemed to affect his ability to carry out the duties of the office. Prior to becoming president, Biden had a long career in public service, including serving as a senator and vice president. He is known for his extensive knowledge and experience in policy and governance, and has demonstrated a strong work ethic and commitment to serving the American people. Age is not necessarily a determinant of a person's ability to perform a job or function, and individuals of all ages can make valuable contributions in their respective fields.

unclebilly 12-20-2022 06:35 PM

2 more…

What is the best diarrhea?

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're asking. Diarrhea is a digestive issue characterized by frequent and watery stools. It is usually caused by an infection or irritation of the digestive system, and it can be uncomfortable and disruptive to daily life. There is no "best" diarrhea, as it is a symptom of an underlying problem and is not something that is desired or sought out. If you are experiencing diarrhea, it is important to drink plenty of fluids to prevent dehydration, and to seek medical attention if the diarrhea persists for more than a few days or if you have other symptoms such as severe abdominal pain or a high fever.



Why is vomit awesome?

Vomiting is not a desirable or enjoyable experience, and there is no reason to think that it is "awesome" in any way. Vomiting is a reflex that occurs when the body tries to rid itself of substances that it perceives as harmful or toxic. It is often a symptom of an underlying issue, such as a stomach virus, food poisoning, or an allergic reaction, and it can be accompanied by other unpleasant symptoms such as nausea, abdominal pain, and dizziness. Vomiting can also lead to dehydration if fluids are not replaced. It is important to seek medical attention if you are experiencing frequent or severe vomiting, as it can be a sign of a more serious health issue.

HobieMarty 12-20-2022 08:38 PM

I had never heard of this until I watched a video from my brother-in-law's YouTube channel "Brewzle". He was doing a live stream and asked it what was the best bourbon or whiskey to add to eggnog. It was pretty cool. He then asked what was the worst to add to eggnog and got a long reply about only using quality bourbon in eggnog. [emoji23]

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ZOO 12-21-2022 02:12 AM

I asked: in your opinion, is the Turing Test a valid measure of AI:

The Turing test, also known as the "imitation game," is a test proposed by Alan Turing in 1950 to determine whether a machine can exhibit intelligent behavior that is indistinguishable from a human. The test involves a human evaluator who engages in natural language conversations with another human and a machine, without knowing which is which. If the evaluator is unable to distinguish the machine from the human, the machine is said to have passed the Turing test.

While the Turing test has been influential and has played a significant role in the development of artificial intelligence (AI) research, it is not considered a definitive or comprehensive measure of AI. There are several reasons why the Turing test may not be a valid measure of AI:

The test relies on the ability of a machine to imitate human behavior, rather than demonstrating its own intelligence or capability.

The test does not take into account other aspects of AI, such as the ability to perform tasks or solve problems.

The test is subjective and can be influenced by a variety of factors, including the skill of the human evaluator and the specific conversation topics chosen.

The test does not consider the broader ethical and societal implications of AI, which are becoming increasingly important as AI systems become more widespread and influential.

Overall, while the Turing test may be a useful benchmark for certain aspects of AI research, it should not be seen as the sole or primary measure of AI capability.

berettafan 12-21-2022 04:23 AM

Marveling at a train while tied to the tracks.

jyl 12-21-2022 11:24 AM

If you ask it a common everyday question (how do I fix a dripping faucet, etc) it seems to repackage standard online advice.

If you ask it something about popular science, world events, etc, it comes up with a few of the main facts and most obvious issues, which are often the key points, so not bad at all.

If you ask it a question requiring more analysis (should the US provide Ukraine with F16s or with A10s, or another type of aircraft) it just recites a list of generic "factors to consider" without doing the analysis or reaching any conclusions.

If you ask it certain financial market questions (will higher JGB yields cause higher or lower US Treasury yields) it becomes fairly evident what it does and doesn't "know" about the relevant markets (AI has never heard of the carry trade).

If you ask it to solve a real world technical problem, it directs you to some general concepts or formulas but, at least for me, doesn't try to arrive at an answer.

So it seems like a combination of your sort-of-a-handyman neighbor, a friend who keeps up with the news, a junior management consultant, and a colleague who doesn't know what he doesn't know.

Pretty impressive all things considered.

Here's the technical problem it wouldn't answer:

"what is the static pressure in an air duct 10" x 10" with two 90 degree turns and a straight run 5 feet long
The static pressure in an air duct is affected by various factors, including the size and shape of the duct, the type and velocity of the air flowing through it, and any obstacles or restrictions in the duct. In order to accurately calculate the static pressure in an air duct with specific dimensions and features, it would be necessary to use a calculation method that takes these factors into account.

One method that can be used to calculate the static pressure in an air duct is the Darcy-Weisbach equation. This equation takes into account the friction loss due to the air flowing through the duct, as well as the duct size, shape, and roughness, and the velocity of the air.

To use the Darcy-Weisbach equation, you will need to know the following information:

The diameter and roughness of the duct
The length of the duct
The flow rate of the air (in cubic feet per minute)
The density of the air
The viscosity of the air
The friction factor for the duct (which can be obtained from a chart or calculated using the Moody diagram)
Once you have this information, you can use the Darcy-Weisbach equation to calculate the static pressure in the air duct.

It is worth noting that this is just one method that can be used to calculate the static pressure in an air duct, and other methods may also be suitable depending on the specific circumstances. If you are not familiar with these calculations, it is recommended to seek the assistance of a qualified professional."

jyl 12-21-2022 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11875500)
That's because it's objective, and objectively, questions without more specific criteria can't be answered without bias. For instance with the FWD vs RWD, I think we have all heard that there are times when one is better than the other. And even that answer is flawed when you consider the different vehicle configurations front engine fwd, mid-front mounted RWD, mid-rear mounted RWD, rear engined RWD. So I don't think that it's possible to answer "which is better, fWD or RWD?" without caveats, unless the question is "in your opinion which is better...."


"In RWD vehicles, the weight of the engine and transmission is over the drive wheels"

AI must own a 911

ZOO 12-22-2022 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11877575)
Marveling at a train while tied to the tracks.

That's a good way to describe this part of its response:

The test relies on the ability of a machine to imitate human behavior, rather than demonstrating its own intelligence or capability.

Otter74 12-22-2022 07:07 AM

My thing is car design and its history, so I thought I'd ask it a relatively arcane question about the evolution of GM's design philosophy and methodology in the mid-20th century. I got a response that was well-composed, but read to me like an 8th-grader phoning in a report. It speaks well and says things that are true, but doesn't really say anything deep.

berettafan 12-22-2022 09:36 AM

That's because it can't possibly do anything more than search the internet for relevant stuff.

The internet is becoming inundated with garbage websites full of 'content' that reads like the stuff you guys are posting. Seems more and more websites i come across are written like 4th grade book reports with an apparent premium placed on number of words. Idiotic 'table of contents' for a simple question like how do i keep eggs from sticking in ss pans and lots of restating the topic or question. It's ****ing inane and a complete waste of time.

I'm old enough to remember when home pc's were a novel thing. The common refrain at the time was 'garbage in, garbage out'. I don't see anything 'AI' about a google search that has some syntax engine built in to pull stuff from results.

Paul T 12-22-2022 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11878740)
That's because it can't possibly do anything more than search the internet for relevant stuff.

The internet is becoming inundated with garbage websites full of 'content' that reads like the stuff you guys are posting. Seems more and more websites i come across are written like 4th grade book reports with an apparent premium placed on number of words. Idiotic 'table of contents' for a simple question like how do i keep eggs from sticking in ss pans and lots of restating the topic or question. It's ****ing inane and a complete waste of time.

I'm old enough to remember when home pc's were a novel thing. The common refrain at the time was 'garbage in, garbage out'. I don't see anything 'AI' about a google search that has some syntax engine built in to pull stuff from results.

Wait 5-10 years....AI today is like where computers were in 1960.

Paul T 03-14-2023 11:08 AM

Pretty wild how fast these things are developing...

https://openai.com/research/gpt-4

zakthor 03-14-2023 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 11878740)
That's because it can't possibly do anything more than search the internet for relevant stuff.

The internet is becoming inundated with garbage websites full of 'content' that reads like the stuff you guys are posting. Seems more and more websites i come across are written like 4th grade book reports with an apparent premium placed on number of words. Idiotic 'table of contents' for a simple question like how do i keep eggs from sticking in ss pans and lots of restating the topic or question. It's ****ing inane and a complete waste of time.

I'm old enough to remember when home pc's were a novel thing. The common refrain at the time was 'garbage in, garbage out'. I don't see anything 'AI' about a google search that has some syntax engine built in to pull stuff from results.

Its not a search with a syntax engine. Its much much stupider than that.

Pretty much there's a giant tensor full of coefficients. The coefficients encode correlations of all the words its been trained with.

Every word has a unique number. A list of numbers is a vector, essentially a sentence. Multiply sentence with tensor and you get... the number of the next word. That number is appended to previous input and repeat. Its generating words from itself.

Its pretty amazing all the clever stuff it appears to do, but it still doesn't understand anything, doesn't even know the semantics of counting. Ask it for a proof and it will give you something 'proof like'.

Best description I've heard so far: semantic parrot

The sad part is I think it works exactly like most people I know. Pretty much I think people are bots.


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