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speeder 12-23-2022 09:02 AM
Conor McG's schit-talking doesn't bother me, it's entertaining and I'm a bit of a ST'er myself, if I'm being honest. :)

It's the whole leprechaun act and all of the stupid tattoos, I just want to stomp him. And his mouth just never stops going...the press conference between him and Diaz before the first fight was classic...McG wouldn't shut up and Diaz just leaned back and said, "faaaaak you..." I knew right then that he was going to win, should have put money on it. :cool:

speeder 12-23-2022 09:05 AM
Mohamed Ali was the biggest trash-talker ever but that was different, he was intelligent and funny as hell plus he could back up absolutely anything he ever said, (except for one time against Frazier). :)

McGregor is a punk.

Seahawk 12-23-2022 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11879278)
McGregor makes me embarrassed because he's Irish but isn't McGregor a Scottish name? That's what I'm going with. :)
Hey! I'm 1/2 Scottish...he is all yours:D

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11879466)
Mohamed Ali was the biggest trash-talker ever but that was different, he was intelligent and funny as hell plus he could back up absolutely anything he ever said, (except for one time against Frazier). :)
Ali was the most visually interesting boxer/athlete I saw as a young man...in victory and defeat. I vividly remember watching him fight on TV (b/w with rabbit ears) and my Dad and his boxing buddies commenting/critiquing his hand position, right up to the point where Ali turned out the lights.

"Oh".

No one had seen it before...at least these guys.

speeder 12-23-2022 11:21 AM
Boxing is the most amazing sport.

Jeff Higgins 12-23-2022 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11879583)
Boxing is the most amazing sport.
It certainly can be. It has its moments, though. It's unfortunate that at least some of the b.s. for which MMA (and WWF, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes) is known has managed to creep in to boxing. They seem to struggle at times to keep it the more dignified and respectful of the various fighting sports, but it does have a long, proud history of a high level of dignity and sportsmanship. MMA has never enjoyed that - it's been burdened by loud mouthed, tattooed, disrespectful punks from its very inception. Probably a product of the times more than anything else. Hell, NASCAR drivers were throwing their helmets at each other and fist fighting in the pits by then. MMA probably never stood a chance. That said, they never really tried, either.

masraum 12-23-2022 11:49 AM
I don't follow MMA, but didn't Connor and Rhonda both have really amazing rises and records. They both got to the top or nearly the top and then got knocked down. I would think that it would be hard to not be cocky when your unbeaten or nearly so. I feel like I saw M Ali being a little cocky back in the day too. I assume these are the only athletes that were near or at the top or looked like they were going to attain the top spot. And as stated, I am sure that they are encouraged to act like that.

masraum 12-23-2022 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11879606)
It certainly can be. It has its moments, though. It's unfortunate that at least some of the b.s. for which MMA (and WWF, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes) is known has managed to creep in to boxing. They seem to struggle at times to keep it the more dignified and respectful of the various fighting sports, but it does have a long, proud history of a high level of dignity and sportsmanship. MMA has never enjoyed that - it's been burdened by loud mouthed, tattooed, disrespectful punks from its very inception. Probably a product of the times more than anything else. Hell, NASCAR drivers were throwing their helmets at each other and fist fighting in the pits by then. MMA probably never stood a chance. That said, they never really tried, either.
As I've said, I don't really follow either, but based on what little I do know about both, that doesn't really seem that surprising. Boxing is structured and has rules which promotes discipline. Also boxing is older and from a time when conduct and behavior was more important and judged. MMA is new, and by comparison, seems like it has less structure. And it's from the age of WWE, NASCAR, and "reality TV". It doesn't really seem all that surprising that it's more over the top and outrageous and extreme.

But, I could be wrong. Like I said, that's just from a cursory/superficial view.

Rawknees'Turbo 12-23-2022 11:54 AM
^^^

That is absolutely the story with both Rousey and McGregor, and I agree that it is probably next to impossible for a sports figure to temper their cockiness when experiencing success like they both did.

BTW, I think that brother Higgins is FOS :D when it comes to his MMA-WWF comparisons, but he already knows that!

DavidI 12-23-2022 11:54 AM
I'll be working Fedor's fight against Bader on February 4, 2023, at the Forum. It's going to be a blast!

Jeff Higgins 12-23-2022 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 11879618)
^^^

That is absolutely the story with both Rousey and McGregor, and I agree that it is probably next to impossible for a sports figure to temper their cockiness when experiencing success like they both did.

BTW, I think that brother Higgins is FOS :D when it comes to his MMA-WWF comparisons, but he already knows that!
You're right, my apologies. I hate to be so hard on WWF. ;)

Rawknees'Turbo 12-23-2022 12:07 PM
^^^

I'm going to have to add a fourth exclamation point to your SUX!!!! rating, bub!

masraum 12-23-2022 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidI (Post 11879619)
I'll be working Fedor's fight against Bader on February 4, 2023, at the Forum. It's going to be a blast!
After posting this thread, Youtube sent me another video about Alexander (Fedor's brother). It's interesting. According to the video, the boys had a rough life in USSR. Alexander got in trouble and went to jail, where they believe he got into a notorious gang of thieves/gangsters. He's tried a few times to straighten out and fly right and do the fighting thing, but it seems like he eventually gets drunk and does something stupid that gets him in trouble again. He goes back to jail. He denies the association with the baddies and crime and jail, but it seems like a certainty, and even Fedor has confirmed it despite what his brother says.

In college I worked in the stadium for several concerts and a wrestling match. I suspect your work is a bit more interesting.

upsscott 12-23-2022 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Rodsrsr (Post 11878675)
That's quite an accomplishment and your son is a very well rounded fighter, with Judo for excellent take downs, and BJJ for the ground game. I personally think that one solid judo flip would pretty much incapacitate someone if they fell on the concrete.

This was my logic when I took up BJJ. I wanted a solid self defense martial art that would be effective against a larger person. After watching the old UFC and Royce Gracie, I went with BJJ because it was the most effective against other single styles. We all instinctively know how to throw punches and even kick to a degree so when two untrained people fight the winner is usually the bigger, stronger, overall tougher guy.

BJJ neutralizes this because anyone that trains grappling knows that instincts are completely wrong when it comes to ground fighting. It takes years of drilling and sparing to create the muscle memory needed to instinctively move in the correct manner to control a person on the ground. Things like eye pokes and getting kicked in the balls are always possible but very unlikely, and not highly probable against an efficient grappler. These are not new ideas and we train to defend and prevent these common silly techniques that an untrained person may attempt.

I started training in 2010 and got my Black Belt in 2021 so its definitely a long journey and that's training 4-5 days per week.

So is it possible that some random tough guy would get the best of me in a street fight? Absolutely! Street fights are very different and I acknowledge that, however BJJ is predicated on street self defense so I would much rather go into a fight as a conditioned BJJ grappler vs going in with no training and simply relying on physical prowess.

My son hates the idea of a street fight but his confidence takes the fear out of the equation. He said his main concern is a well placed sucker punch.

upsscott 12-23-2022 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11879639)
After posting this thread, Youtube sent me another video about Alexander (Fedor's brother). It's interesting. According to the video, the boys had a rough life in USSR. Alexander got in trouble and went to jail, where they believe he got into a notorious gang of thieves/gangsters. He's tried a few times to straighten out and fly right and do the fighting thing, but it seems like he eventually gets drunk and does something stupid that gets him in trouble again. He goes back to jail. He denies the association with the baddies and crime and jail, but it seems like a certainty, and even Fedor has confirmed it despite what his brother says.

In college I worked in the stadium for several concerts and a wrestling match. I suspect your work is a bit more interesting.

Alexander looks like he’s a hit man for the Russian mob. He probably is actually.

Jeff Higgins 12-23-2022 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 11879631)
^^^

I'm going to have to add a fourth exclamation point to your SUX!!!! rating, bub!
Dammit! I'm gonna hafta try harder. Really hoping to achieve that five star rating...

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Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11879668)
My son hates the idea of a street fight but his confidence takes the fear out of the equation. He said his main concern is a well placed sucker punch.
Not trying to be snarky, or judgmental or anything, but I have to ask - what is it about him that even makes this a concern in the first place?

cantdrv55 12-23-2022 03:40 PM
Bader is built like Batman but Fedor has one punch knockout power. Or at least he used to have. But Bader knows kicked his butt 2 years ago.

upsscott 12-24-2022 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11879687)
Dammit! I'm gonna hafta try harder. Really hoping to achieve that five star rating...



Not trying to be snarky, or judgmental or anything, but I have to ask - what is it about him that even makes this a concern in the first place?

I’m not sure I understand your question. My son is a gentle giant. He’s a 6’4” 240lb special education teacher. If your wondering if he sits around trying to start street fights you’d be wrong. We’ve just talked about it hypothetically. I guess my final opinion would be that standing and banging is cool in the movies but in real life I’m trying to get the fight to the ground.

Jeff Higgins 12-24-2022 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by upsscott (Post 11879995)
I’m not sure I understand your question. My son is a gentle giant. He’s a 6’4” 240lb special education teacher. If your wondering if he sits around trying to start street fights you’d be wrong. We’ve just talked about it hypothetically. I guess my final opinion would be that standing and banging is cool in the movies but in real life I’m trying to get the fight to the ground.
You must be very proud of your son. What a noble profession, good for him.

Just the way you worded it made me afraid maybe he was putting himself in situations where this could be a real concern, not just a hypothetical one. I'm glad to hear he is not, and you guys are just talking it over hypothetically. I've done the same with my two sons, with my overriding message being "just don't - it's never worth the risk".

And, yes, we've discussed the "extremes" of that risk. As I've belabored previously, running into "that guy". Beyond that, we have also discussed the "other end" of the risk - "winning". I think most of us saw the video in another thread wherein a really big guy punches some idiot that had knocked his phone out of his hand. Knocked him out, which resulted in the guy falling over backwards and smashing his head on the pavement and going into convulsions. He could just as well have died. That's what "winning" a street fight often looks like. "Winning" could change our lives forever, and not in a good way.

Anyway, I'm heartened to hear that none of this is a concern for you and your son. It isn't for us, either. No more than just a hypothetical exercise.

Por_sha911 12-24-2022 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodsrsr (Post 11878189)
the untrained guy now has a gun since this occurs "on the street" he shoots the MMA guy and wins. end of story.
Good point. The .45 ACP is a great equalizer.

Por_sha911 12-24-2022 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11878214)
But, no, you very much appear as though you need to "win" some kind of an argument. Typical PPOT conversation with an uninformed, inexperienced contributor desperately trying to argue something with which he has no personal exposure. You have never experienced, never seen fights like those I have, and have tried to describe here. Yet you are absolutely God damned sure you know how it would go. I'm only trying to help, by providing perspective from someone who has seen this.

So drop the straw men, drop the assumptions, drop the veiled insults. They don't help your case. They just make you sound like kind of a dick...
Jeff: you forgot that intelligent debate is like a boxing ring. Arguments on the Internet are street fighting without rules. No need for logic but "win" by any means necessary.

Bob Kontak 12-24-2022 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11879611)
I feel like I saw M Ali being a little cocky back in the day ......
Say it ain't so. Grady Clay's cousin? I think not.

I "Swear the God" as my ex mother in law used to say, I have watched the Ali Foreman Rope a Dope finale more times than I can count.

This video gives a breakdown of the final flying of fists with slow-mo and stop action with articulate narrative. Video should start where the breakdown begins. If not, go to 4:15. Even Afterburn can appreciate this one.

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upsscott 12-24-2022 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11880212)
You must be very proud of your son. What a noble profession, good for him.

Just the way you worded it made me afraid maybe he was putting himself in situations where this could be a real concern, not just a hypothetical one. I'm glad to hear he is not, and you guys are just talking it over hypothetically. I've done the same with my two sons, with my overriding message being "just don't - it's never worth the risk".

And, yes, we've discussed the "extremes" of that risk. As I've belabored previously, running into "that guy". Beyond that, we have also discussed the "other end" of the risk - "winning". I think most of us saw the video in another thread wherein a really big guy punches some idiot that had knocked his phone out of his hand. Knocked him out, which resulted in the guy falling over backwards and smashing his head on the pavement and going into convulsions. He could just as well have died. That's what "winning" a street fight often looks like. "Winning" could change our lives forever, and not in a good way.

Anyway, I'm heartened to hear that none of this is a concern for you and your son. It isn't for us, either. No more than just a hypothetical exercise.

Exactly. I’m not perfect by any means but I can honestly say that I’ve helped to raise two boys that are good humans. That I can hang my hat on. I think a lot of people on this forum can say the same. [emoji482]

DavidI 12-25-2022 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11879639)
After posting this thread, Youtube sent me another video about Alexander (Fedor's brother). It's interesting. According to the video, the boys had a rough life in USSR. Alexander got in trouble and went to jail, where they believe he got into a notorious gang of thieves/gangsters. He's tried a few times to straighten out and fly right and do the fighting thing, but it seems like he eventually gets drunk and does something stupid that gets him in trouble again. He goes back to jail. He denies the association with the baddies and crime and jail, but it seems like a certainty, and even Fedor has confirmed it despite what his brother says.

In college I worked in the stadium for several concerts and a wrestling match. I suspect your work is a bit more interesting.
These championship-level fighters are very different from those of us who were very good amateurs. The amount of power, speed, and ability to take damage is beyond comprehension. Working these fights and hearing their bones crack against flesh makes me realize they are on a completely different level. When I retire in about a year and a half from my full-time job, my goal is to be a UFC referee. Fun times!

For now, you'll see me in the corner or cage working as an athletic inspector.

upsscott 12-25-2022 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidI (Post 11880621)
These championship-level fighters are very different from those of us who were very good amateurs. The amount of power, speed, and ability to take damage is beyond comprehension. Working these fights and hearing their bones crack against flesh makes me realize they are on a completely different level. When I retire in about a year and a half from my full-time job, my goal is to be a UFC referee. Fun times!

For now, you'll see me in the corner or cage working as an athletic inspector.

I wish these fighters were compensated better for what they do.

Jeff Higgins 12-25-2022 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidI (Post 11880621)
These championship-level fighters are very different from those of us who were very good amateurs. The amount of power, speed, and ability to take damage is beyond comprehension. Working these fights and hearing their bones crack against flesh makes me realize they are on a completely different level. When I retire in about a year and a half from my full-time job, my goal is to be a UFC referee. Fun times!

For now, you'll see me in the corner or cage working as an athletic inspector.
That is so awesome, David. Color me envious as can be. Having any kind of an opportunity to get that "up close and personal" with the best of the best pro athletes is such a very rare occurrence. It sounds like you are living your dream. Congratulations!

And, yeah, pro athletes are on a whole different plane than us mere mortals. It's hard to appreciate from the grandstands, or from even just outside of the ring. While I've have never had the opportunity to be in a ring with this level of athlete, I did get a glimpse into this world on the soccer field.

I had the opportunity to play on the practice squad against our Seattle Sounders when I was 16-19 years old. At times it felt as though me and the rest of that squad were just extra orange cones for them to run their drills around. Just a whole different level.

Superman 12-25-2022 10:34 AM
Yup. NFL linemen are 300-lb guys who could spot me three steps, in my prime, and catch me in two seconds. Whole 'nuther level.

Rodsrsr 12-25-2022 10:46 AM
Got to train with the wizard himself UFC legend Ryan Hall. Here he is catching BJ Penn in an Imanari roll to backside heel hook. Pretty much retired BJ Penn.


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Here's Ryan at our school. I'm wearing the Wakanda rashguard.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1671993974.jpg

Rodsrsr 12-25-2022 10:53 AM
Pro fighters are on another level. Here's Max "pain" Griffin literally tearing a guys ear off with an elbow. UFC Vegas 13.

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I've rolled with Max several times and the guys an absolute beast.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1671994229.jpg

Jeff Higgins 12-25-2022 11:07 AM
Very, very cool stuff, Rod! What an amazing opportunity.

I guess the best thing about these guys, beyond their willingness to help us mere mortals, is their ability to "throttle back" a bit. Still, they give us a glimpse... which is plenty for me...

Rodsrsr 12-25-2022 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11880710)
Very, very cool stuff, Rod! What an amazing opportunity.

I guess the best thing about these guys, beyond their willingness to help us mere mortals, is their ability to "throttle back" a bit. Still, they give us a glimpse... which is plenty for me...
Thanks Jeff! You're correct, and when I rolled with Max, I could tell that any any given moment if he cranked it up he would mash me lol. Its still a privilege to have the opportunity to train with these guys.

Rodsrsr 12-25-2022 11:25 AM
Lets not forget the ladies....Aspen Ladd female beast mode.



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She's a talented fighter and a tough roll. Here she is putting it on me!


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Jeff Higgins 12-25-2022 02:48 PM
That begs the obvious question, Rod - now that you have had a chance to grapple with both a top male, and a top female athlete, would she even stand a snowball's chance against him? I think I know the answer...

Our friend Rawknee'sTurbo is much more a fan of your sport than myself (but other than that he seems alright... ;) ) , and he's had a lot to say about the male/tranny presence in female MMA. It just looks so grossly unfair to me. From what I've seen the "guys" just absolutely dominate the "real" girls. I hope that doesn't spell the end for the ladies in the end.

Rodsrsr 12-25-2022 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 11880797)
That begs the obvious question, Rod - now that you have had a chance to grapple with both a top male, and a top female athlete, would she even stand a snowball's chance against him? I think I know the answer...

Our friend Rawknee'sTurbo is much more a fan of your sport than myself (but other than that he seems alright... ;) ) , and he's had a lot to say about the male/tranny presence in female MMA. It just looks so grossly unfair to me. From what I've seen the "guys" just absolutely dominate the "real" girls. I hope that doesn't spell the end for the ladies in the end.

You would be correct again Jeff… The female fighters, as tough as they are, wouldn't stand a chance against their male UFC counterparts, even assuming no size difference.

upsscott 12-27-2022 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Rodsrsr (Post 11880702)
Got to train with the wizard himself UFC legend Ryan Hall. Here he is catching BJ Penn in an Imanari roll to backside heel hook. Pretty much retired BJ Penn.


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Here's Ryan at our school. I'm wearing the Wakanda rashguard.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1671993974.jpg

Ryan Hall is the guy that someone messes with in a bar and lives to regret it. Have you seen the video where he detains the drunk guy at a diner until the cops come?

Rodsrsr 12-27-2022 11:23 AM
I forgot about that one. Typical Ryan.....so calm the entire time.

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stevej37 04-22-2025 02:20 PM
^^^ MMA Bot


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