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speeder 07-13-2024 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 12282811)
So let me get this straight. A person lost their life at the complete negligence of others. A trigger WAS pulled, and a gun was fired, which resulted in the death of someone, and no one is going to be held accountable for this due to, basically, a technicality? Sounds fishy to me.
Where is the justice?

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First of all, there is no such thing as "a technicality" in criminal trials. It's a term used by people who either don't understand the justice system in the United States or simply don't like the outcome of a ruling. Usually both. Evidence is either allowed or not and rules on evidence are in place for reasons previously decided in a court of law, lawyers on both sides have an obligation to understand and obey these rules. Nothing "technical" about it.

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 12282839)

I’d say, this result stinks. We have our new OJ Simpson.

Wow, that's shrill. I happen to think that AB is guilty of the charge he faced but to equate a psychopath murderer who stabbed two people hundreds of times within feet of his sleeping children with an accidental death, (even the prosecution does not claim intention on AB's part), is about the most batschit thing on this thread. It's PARF level logic, just pure emo and check your brains at the door. :rolleyes:

The cases have absolutely nothing in common, other than a famous defendant.

greglepore 07-13-2024 09:46 AM

I'm with Denis on this. The remedy for a Brady violation has always been a dismissal. The prosecution (which includes the police) have an absolute obligation to be fair to the defendant, and if they aren't, this is what happens. Its not a technicality. The police intentionally buried these rounds because they wanted to and made a decision, now they have to live with that.
And insofar as there are arguments that the evidence was meaningless, as well stated in the interview with the resigning prosecutor, the prosecution doesn't get to decide that. Any info the police have the defendant is entitled to have, so long as they ask by filing a Brady request.

Seahawk 07-13-2024 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 12282879)
She has a lot of integrity.

Yes.

I have mentioned many times that my sister was a prosecutor for over 2 decades... she absolutely was floored that the Prosecutor in this case was, one, assigned in April and two, left with a faulty evidence trail.

In these high interest, press attention, trials and legal proceedings, it is incumbent on the Prosecution to be sanitary.

Period.

Just so you guys know exactly how much law I know, I slept with a female law student in college, so...

Chocaholic 07-13-2024 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 12282882)
Wow, that's shrill. I happen to think that AB is guilty of the charge he faced but to equate a psychopath murderer who stabbed two people hundreds of times within feet of his sleeping children with an accidental death, (even the prosecution does not claim intention on AB's part), is about the most batschit thing on this thread. It's PARF level logic, just pure emo and check your brains at the door. :rolleyes:

The cases have absolutely nothing in common, other than a famous defendant.

Two famous defendants who each got away with killing an innocent woman. Nope, no similarity at all.

Emo, indeed. Sheesh.

HobieMarty 07-13-2024 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 12282882)
First of all, there is no such thing as "a technicality" in criminal trials. It's a term used by people who either don't understand the justice system in the United States or simply don't like the outcome of a ruling. Usually both. Evidence is either allowed or not and rules on evidence are in place for reasons previously decided in a court of law, lawyers on both sides have an obligation to understand and obey these rules. Nothing "technical" about it.







Wow, that's shrill. I happen to think that AB is guilty of the charge he faced but to equate a psychopath murderer who stabbed two people hundreds of times within feet of his sleeping children with an accidental death, (even the prosecution does not claim intention on AB's part), is about the most batschit thing on this thread. It's PARF level logic, just pure emo and check your brains at the door. :rolleyes:



The cases have absolutely nothing in common, other than a famous defendant.

So, you said "first of all" but never followed up with a "second of all." I couldn't care any less about Alec Baldwin and the outcome of the ruling in this case actually because, well, I have a life, unlike the woman he shot!!!

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Arizona_928 07-13-2024 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 12282917)
Two famous defendants who each got away with killing an innocent woman. Nope, no similarity at all.

Some people don’t appreciate a good quip.

speeder 07-13-2024 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Arizona_928 (Post 12283133)
Some people don’t appreciate a good quip.

I love a good quip. Got one?

Arizona_928 07-13-2024 04:27 PM

Sure… The world is divided into two classes: those who believe half of what they hear, and those who know better.

HobieMarty 07-13-2024 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Arizona_928 (Post 12283183)
Sure… The world is divided into two classes: those who believe half of what they hear, and those who know better.

Good one!!! ^^^

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speeder 07-13-2024 11:05 PM

There are two kinds of people in the world; people who think that there are two kinds of people and people who don't. :cool:

speeder 07-13-2024 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HobieMarty (Post 12283069)
So, you said "first of all" but never followed up with a "second of all." I couldn't care any less about Alec Baldwin and the outcome of the ruling in this case actually because, well, I have a life, unlike the woman he shot!!!

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You wanted a second opinion? Ok...you're a maroon. :)

KFC911 07-14-2024 01:08 AM

Ahem .... there are only 10 kinds of people ... some "get it" ... most don't....

Do you :D?

Bob Kontak 07-14-2024 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 12283390)
You wanted a second opinion? Ok...you're a maroon. :)

Marty, California Mafia.

Be warry warry careful.

HobieMarty 07-14-2024 05:23 AM

I knew I should've taken that left turn at Albuquerque!!!

https://youtu.be/e8TUwHTfOOU?feature=shared

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Jeff Higgins 07-14-2024 06:44 AM

What a schitt show. The police and prosecutor absolutely fck'd this one up. No doubt about it. But, at the end of the day, Baldwin still killed someone. Should he be rewarded for their malfeasance with an absolute dismissal, with prejudice, of the charges against him? It's as though those entrenched in our criminal justice system see their own little games as more important than the reasons we put them there in the first place - to bring to justice those in our society who have brought us harm. This was not justice.

creaturecat 07-14-2024 07:13 AM

Baldwin had zero responsibility.
he trusted the armourer - this is standard protocol. period.

Jeff Higgins 07-14-2024 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by creaturecat (Post 12283537)
Baldwin had zero responsibility.
he trusted the armourer - this is standard protocol. period.

But that's not why the charges were dismissed. If true, and acceptable outside of the movie industry, that would have been established at trial. That was not allowed to happen.

Instead we saw the judge punishing the police and prosecutor for their malfeasance. She could have declared a mistrial, allowing the defense to review the new evidence while scheduling a new trial date. But no, it was more important to her to make a point with the police and prosecutor that they don't get away with this in "her" court. Which is actually our court...

greglepore 07-14-2024 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 12283552)
But that's not why the charges were dismissed. If true, and acceptable outside of the movie industry, that would have been established at trial. That was not allowed to happen.

Instead we saw the judge punishing the police and prosecutor for their malfeasance. She could have declared a mistrial, allowing the defense to review the new evidence while scheduling a new trial date. But no, it was more important to her to make a point with the police and prosecutor that they don't get away with this in "her" court. Which is actually our court...

I mostly agree with this. I think that the distinction here, though, is that the judge likely thought that the police conduct in burying the report under a unique file # was intentional concealment, not inadvertence. But a mistrial without prejudice is an acceptable Brady remedy. Courts have been known to reverse themselves on the "with prejudice" issue.

The Synergizer 07-14-2024 08:25 AM

BS. Whether the armorer failed in her job or not, a fundamental of firearm safety is NEVER point a gun at anyone, let alone pull the trigger.

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Originally Posted by creaturecat (Post 12283537)
Baldwin had zero responsibility.
he trusted the armourer - this is standard protocol. period.


stevej37 07-14-2024 08:52 AM

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