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cantdrv55 02-05-2023 09:05 AM

Bob Dylan fans - I don’t get it
 
I really don’t. His music to me isn’t all that melodic. Lyrics are good but the melody is more important to me. His voice is terrible. Maybe I was born too late to appreciate him? From his era, I like the Beatles and the Stones. After that it’s disco, old school R&B/Soul Train stuff, then New Wave and some alternative. Were any of these later genres influenced by Dylan? I guess maybe I was never destined to like his music but man, the adoration for the guy is a mystery to me.

Geronimo '74 02-05-2023 09:13 AM

I’m guessing you’re not a Tom Waits fan either.. :)

sugarwood 02-05-2023 09:14 AM

The folk sound sowed the seeds of 60s social revolution. He is iconic beyond his music.
He's influenced anyone who picked up an acoustic guitar after 1963.

As far as actual music, start with something with some mainstream appeal like this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ8GUwNaboo

herr_oberst 02-05-2023 09:28 AM

Because it's music.
That's an unanswerable question, in the same vein as a preference in partners. 'Blood on the Tracks 'is one of my Desert Island picks. 'Kind of Blue' kind of bores me.

pavulon 02-05-2023 09:43 AM

Soy bomb guy would disagree.

Seahawk 02-05-2023 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herr_oberst (Post 11915082)
Because it's music.
That's an unanswerable question, in the same vein as a preference in partners. 'Blood on the Tracks 'is one of my Desert Island picks. 'Kind of Blue' kind of bores me.

Perfect, Herr O.

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Steve Carlton 02-05-2023 10:08 AM

Some of his lyrics border on great poetry, and he won the 2016 Nobel Prize in Literature. His voice is different, for sure. Mostly I like it. YMMV. His influence is indisputably massive. I understand he's not your cup of tea, but most people will feel otherwise.

I find his promotional clip of "Subterranean Homesick Blues" very clever for its day. The song came out in 1965, and this is one of the earliest music videos to come out.

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I admire his taking of Reuben Carter's plight in "Hurricane." This is an interesting performance before he had to change the lyrics when faced with a lawsuit. The violin work in this is magical. I'm putting in the link instead of embedding the video so you can read the introduction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voH11xV4AKI

Baz 02-05-2023 10:15 AM

The Prophet!

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flatbutt 02-05-2023 10:16 AM

That shooting took place a few blocks from my house and yes the cops were most definitely racist. Dylan voice sux madly but his lyrics are amongst the most meaningful of the period.

stevej37 02-05-2023 10:22 AM

Everyone has certain music they just don't get.
Mine is Hendrix.....I do like Dylan, but not as much as most do.

cassisrot 02-05-2023 10:24 AM

If you don’t get Dylan, I’m sorry. He is simply the best.

908/930 02-05-2023 10:34 AM

I think your age determines a lot of what music you like, what you were listening to as a teenager sticks with you. Bob Dylan, Neil Young and many more were too old for my taste, and still are.

craigster59 02-05-2023 11:19 AM

Mr. Tambourine Man, Blowin' In The Wind, Girl From The North Country, You Ain't Goin' Nowhere, Make You Feel My Love, etc. are all masterpieces in songwriting.

That said, I've seen Dylan in concert. I'd rather hear someone else sing his songs.

pete3799 02-05-2023 11:23 AM

I'll give you his singing sucks but listen to the music and more importantly the lyrics.
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cassisrot 02-05-2023 11:26 AM

I saw him in Ft Collins, and even though a hard rain was falling.he was great. Saw him again in Denver in 02, I think, and he was not as sharp. We all get old.

craigster59 02-05-2023 11:27 AM

A rare Rickenbacker "Light Show" with Roger McGuinn and Clarence White's "B-Bender" played by Marty Stuart. Doesn't get much better than this.....

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Steve Carlton 02-05-2023 11:53 AM

I saw him at the Greek Theater in Berkeley quite a while ago. I wanted to see him perform songs from "Love and Theft" and "Modern Times," and I wasn't disappointed. They say he's unpredictable in what he'll perform and it can be great or not so great. I was thoroughly pleased, but I didn't see much from his period of truly incredible lyrics. It was good to see him, and I like his (now) gravely voice.

The Byrds leaned heavily into Dylan on their first album Mr. Tambourine Man, covering four of his songs. I think their version of the actual song is much better than Dylan's version, and he complimented them on their cover. I think the next Byrds album did covers of two of Dylan's songs. Similarly, Jimi Hendrix's version of "All Along the Watchtower" was better, and Dylan admitted that Jimi found more in it than he did.

Seahawk 02-05-2023 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 908/930 (Post 11915139)
I think your age determines a lot of what music you like, what you were listening to as a teenager sticks with you. Bob Dylan, Neil Young and many more were too old for my taste, and still are.

100%.

That's the Way of the World.

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rcooled 02-05-2023 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantdrv55 (Post 11915064)
After that it’s disco, old school R&B/Soul Train stuff, then New Wave and some alternative.

Easy to see why you wouldn't like Dylan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11915120)
...his lyrics are amongst the most meaningful of the period.

No matter what one thinks of his voice or his live performances, this fact holds true.

herr_oberst 02-05-2023 12:30 PM

Nobody wears a cowboy hat backwards better than Dylan.

I love this song. Good beat. You can dance to it.

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JavaBrewer 02-05-2023 12:55 PM

Thank you cant drive 55 (OP) for creating this thread. I was in HS 78-81 and a certain professor was playing Dylan songs and asking for feedback. I am split down the middle, lyrics or music, sometime they merge perfectly. I am more of a lyric guy, poets put to music. Now all those around me have said BD is a poet and I have read some of his outstanding collection and do agree. Now full stop, his voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me. As soon as I hear it I switch off and run for cover. IMO he destroys his lyrics and song writing talent with his voice. Might as well have Yoko Ono sing lead...that bad (for me).

I hold Bob Dylan in an esteemed group of artists. Sad that he felt compelled to sing some of his best stuff.

LWJ 02-05-2023 12:57 PM

I’m sort of right in the middle. I see his genius. I appreciate much of what he accomplished. And, when I saw him live in 87 I thought he was terrible.

So I understand both sides here.

Baz 02-05-2023 01:18 PM

Nashville Skyline was his venture into country. A real classic, whether or not you even like country.

I bought this 45 while still living in Norfolk and in Junior High - and using one of those fold up portable record players......

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craigster59 02-05-2023 01:27 PM

Here's one of my favorites. Many versions have been done but Lenny always kills it. If you're not familiar with him, he's the voice behind Alan Parsons Project hits "Wouldn't Want to Be Like You" and "Games People Play". Killer voice...

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stevej37 02-05-2023 01:31 PM

[QUOTE=JavaBrewer;11915225] Might as well have Yoko Ono sing lead...that bad (for me).


Hey...Yoko can really belt out some songs. She may not be as good as Dylan, but close. :D

Seahawk 02-05-2023 01:37 PM

Qe
 
^^^ That was great.

Superman 02-05-2023 01:50 PM

I have heard this before and I guess I can't help someone see Dylan's genius, except perhaps to suggest just reading the lyrics like a poem and imagine it set to music YOU consider evocative. He was a modern day Shakespeare. Neil Young showed flashes of this, and some others. Kurt Cobain. But Dylan told hundreds of LONG stories with his brilliance. He was not a fluke. He fully earned his Nobel Prize.

His singing voice is among the worst I ever heard. And yet, within that, he left some surprises for the musicians.

Superman 02-05-2023 01:53 PM

Thanks, Seahawk, for that video link. It reminds me there are literally thousands of single lines of Dylan lyrics that are brilliant enough to blow your mind. Mine, anyway.

cantdrv55 02-05-2023 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 11915251)
Here's one of my favorites. Many versions have been done but Lenny always kills it. If you're not familiar with him, he's the voice behind Alan Parsons Project hits "Wouldn't Want to Be Like You" and "Games People Play". Killer voice...

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I really enjoyed that one. Has no idea it was Dylan’s.

berettafan 02-06-2023 01:53 AM

Dylan is awful. Grating sound.

But then I also dislike Joplin and think beastie boys (or perhaps Rick Rubin) are geniuses.

And Paul is my favorite Beatle.

wdfifteen 02-06-2023 05:53 AM

Has written so many great songs, but honestly many of them sound better when sung by someone else.
There are sooo many.
This one mesmerizes me. I watch her hand throw those chords and listen to her voice and I am in another world.

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berettafan 02-06-2023 06:33 AM

My preferred song on the subject-

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jcommin 02-06-2023 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 11915596)
Has written so many great songs, but honestly many of them sound better when sung by someone else.
There are sooo many.
This one mesmerizes me. I watch her hand throw those chords and listen to her voice and I am in another world.

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He is the most covered artist, second only to the Beatles.

cockerpunk 02-06-2023 09:21 AM

bob gets filed with tom petty and others in the "better songwriter than singer" file.

Tobra 02-06-2023 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geronimo '74 (Post 11915072)
I’m guessing you’re not a Tom Waits fan either.. :)

I like Tom Waits

Don't care for Bob Zimmerman at all, tolerable if someone else sings it. I can't think of a single one of his songs that his is the best version.

It is not a matter of "getting it" and is totally unrelated to his selling his soul to the Devil. I can appreciate the quality of his writing and still dislike it.

He is the Brussel's sprouts of music. Everyone will tell you how great he is.

911_Dude 02-06-2023 03:26 PM

Im a big fan. But I went to a concert of his about 2 years ago. Worst concert Ive ever been to. He didnt seem to notice the crowd, no acknowledgment what so ever. The stage was completely bare, white lights the whole time and the entire band was set up at the back. Bob hid behind a standup piano the whole time. Played one "Classic" song which was so poorly done that I didnt recognize it until most of the way through. Played the last song after a little over an hour and they walked off and were done. I could go on and on. Wife and I were psyched to see him, but never again. His live performance time has sadly passed.

Tervuren 02-06-2023 03:33 PM

What someone explained to me once is because Bob Dylan was different.

Nordwest 02-06-2023 03:35 PM

Dude, sorry to hear that. I've been a fan a long time. Never seen him preform. So much great music..... All along the watchtower....

serene911 02-06-2023 04:02 PM

Two great versions of Dylans, It's all over now baby blue
 
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Superman 02-06-2023 04:09 PM

He's not the greatest stage performer.

I''m not going to make any new Bob Dylan fans with my remarks here but Dylan and Jagger had a famous exchange once at a party. "(I can't get no) Satisfaction" has been considered the most popular of pop songs and Mick Jagger once reminded Dylan that he, and not Dylan wrote it. Dylan's reply? "Yeah, but I could have written it. You could not have written 'Tambourine Man.'" Dylan was correct:
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come following you

Though I know that evening's empire has returned into sand
Vanished from my hand
Left me blindly here to stand, but still not sleeping

My weariness amazes me, I'm branded on my feet
I have no one to meet
And the ancient empty street's too dead for dreaming

Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come following you

Take me on a trip upon your magic swirling ship
My senses have been stripped
My hands can't feel to grip
My toes too numb to step
Wait only for my boot heels to be wandering

I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade
Cast your dancing spell my way, I promise to go under it

Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come following you

Though you might hear laughing, spinning, swinging madly across the sun
It's not aimed at anyone
It's just escaping on the run
And but for the sky there are no fences facing

And if you hear vague traces of skipping reels of rhyme
To your tambourine in time
It's just a ragged clown behind
I wouldn't pay it any mind
It's just a shadow you're seeing that he's chasing

Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come following you

And take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time
Far past the frozen leaves
The haunted frightened trees
Out to the windy beach
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow

Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky
With one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea
Circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate
Driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow

Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr. Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come following you


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