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Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 12000032)

I was listening to a Jason Cammisa review of the new M2 - apparently the lane assist (even more annoying than start stop) is always ON at startup and requires a deep dive into submenus - each time - to disable... Not even a button, nope... Manufacturers don't listen, probably because their cars are rare right now and we keep on buying like lemmings, out of habit - oh's it's 3y old, need a new one!.. Cammisa said he would return the car and sue BMW if it was his ;-) I agree with the sentiment. Turning into a grumpy old man here but maybe I really should hang onto my old cars.

On a similar note, Porsche has made stupidly long geared manual cars for a decade now, same reason - kinda hard to get anyway, selling all they can, so why listen to us and make a non autobahn ratios... Also they decided to charge +10-15% on new cars next year - just because they can - not to make up for any specific supply increase. All manufacturers figured out during COVID that there is more money in producing less (less costs, less work) and charging more, they are taking their slice out of the "dealer markup". Why make 5 cars when 3 will net you the same profit and increase rarity ? Again, as long as we keep buying (and there's enough new $ out there for that to happen), it's never gonna get better. Hang onto what you like with as few "screens" and "eco-nannies" as possible.

I sold my 991 for the same $ as my purchase price after 5.5 years (of near free usage!) and felt like a genius for a few months...now I am starting to regret the move because I realize they way things are going, I will likely NEVER own something like that again - between the way they're bundling them with all those stupid undefeatable features and upcharging for them - and forget any GT car unless you are a VIP. Oh well.

Agree with everything stated. I understand when the manufacturers must follow a Govt mandate but quit giving us a bunch of crap we didn't ask for.

My DD Volkswagen Alltrack comes with start/stop if you get the car with a DSG automatic gearbox but thankfully does not have it with the manual transmission (like mine). I'm also thrilled it has a dipstick!

I'll be keeping my old Porsche and BMW E46 for as long as I'm able.

Our Cayenne Turbo and Macan Turbo both have it. It is turned off in our memory setting, never use it...

If you have replaced a started on a Cayenne, you would never want this feature.... LOL

Cheers

It's to make it EU compliant.

The first time I drove a car with auto-start was in 2010. So it’s not as new as new as we think it is.

I’ve gotten used to it in my wife’s Honda. I lift up on the brake when I’m anticipating a light change from red to green and the car restarts before I need to get on the gas.

The designers of the rest of the nannie features like lane assist and emergency braking can spend eternity in hell.

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 12000511)

best post

It all started with Harley Davidson..

Or stopped...:p

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Originally Posted by wilnj (Post 12001274)

Right. I think the cars that I've driven with the feature were various Porsches, and it was seamless. And how you modulate the brake pedal allowed you to "start the car" while still stopped. If I owned or drove a car with it long term, I'm sure that I'd get used to it. I think that as the car ages, it might be more of a PITA. Only in the case that a car is maintained the way that Glenn maintains his Elky is this sort of thing going to not end up being a pain. And eventually maintaining this sort of thing is going to be an expensive pain, but that's the case with most modern cars. In 20-30 years, a lot of these electronic/computerized parts are going to be NLA.

I think that the way that folks own, maintain, and drive old cars these days is going to go the way of the dodo as modern cars with multiple computers start having those computers and electronics die. If they are NLA, you're going to be screwed.

I've never driven one with it. What happens when you mat the gas pedal from a stand still? Is there a lag? Must be.

In a typical trip to work in my car my starter runs twice in the 120 round trip drive (No Eco-Whatever.)

My wife works 1 mile from home. I did the drive with the Eco-Whatever on. The starter ran 6 times.

Does that mean I can expect my wife’s starter to fail 3X sooner than mine?

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Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 12001361)

I've never driven one with it. What happens when you mat the gas pedal from a stand still? Is there a lag? Must be.

In the couple of cars that I've driven with it, they were pretty quick to start, and the starting is based on the brake pedal being released. If you are trying to drag race, then yeah, you'll notice a lag, but then if you were drag racing, you'd probably have it bypassed. If a light turns green or you pull up to a stop sign and start off normally, I didn't really notice anything. If there was a lag, it may have been a tenth or 2 tenths of a second at most.

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Originally Posted by RNajarian (Post 12001369)

I'm not sure that "how many starts" is exactly how they fail. I suspect heat (or lack of) and how robustly they were built both have bearings on how they fail. I'd love to think that these cars that perform the start/stop have the starters (and ring gears) built for the additional load, although, I suspect that's not 100%.

And if her car starts 6 times in a 1 mile drive where the engine compartment probably doesn't get super hot (like a car in 30 miles of stop and go traffic might) then her car may not have a problem with the starter.

I never hear golfers complaining of their gas carts that do the same.:)

The “old man yells at cloud” is strong on this one!

All I read is speculation how it hurts the engine and starter. Any data to back it up?

If you are stuck in stop and go city traffic, get an EV or a hybrid. Or ride a bicycle!

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 12001414)

Ours starts as soon as there is movement on the brake pedal.

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Originally Posted by RNajarian (Post 12001369)

If you have to stop and go,6 times in a mile, to go to work,maybe quicker to walk??

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 12001661)

Ours starts as soon as there is movement on the brake pedal.

My Civic is that way also. You need to have the sound system off to hear it start...it's that quiet.

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Originally Posted by mocha07 (Post 12001781)

If you have to stop and go,6 times in a mile, to go to work,maybe quicker to walk??

I used to commute 3 miles to/from work. desk to door took me about 12 mins unless I hit traffic (new light got added).

Folks used to ask me why I didn't get a bicycle. Because the weather sucked azz, and I didn't want to be a wet sweaty mess when I got to work.

Walking a mile may or may not be a big deal depending upon the where and when and what you you.

My `87 Carerra has auto stop. If I don't step on the clutch as I stop at a light, the engine shuts off automatically!
Now I need to figure out a way for it to auto start again... :rolleyes:

Now, that I think about it, my 2013 Veloster Turbo has the same feature!

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Originally Posted by mocha07 (Post 12001781)

If you have to stop and go,6 times in a mile, to go to work,maybe quicker to walk??

Haha. You can tell the wife THAT one

The trip I took, the car restarted three times going, and three coming. That’s three restarts per mile.

^^^ You could have bought her an ice cream cone with the gas savings. :)

About 6 weeks ago my daughter bought a new Mazda with the stop start feature.

After seeing this thread I asked her about it and she said it annoyed her at first but now she's OK with it.