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jyl 05-19-2023 08:08 PM

Upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11?
 
Is it safe to upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 yet?

I try not to upgrade, because I don’t want my work machine and applications to have issues. But maybe it’s ok by now?

island911 05-19-2023 08:13 PM

if it's not broken...

Microsoft will figure out a way to break it.

fanaudical 05-19-2023 08:27 PM

We're still avoiding Windows 11 at work. I haven't upgraded at home yet. Friends who have are fighting issues with hardware compatibility and bloatware.

jyl 05-19-2023 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fanaudical (Post 12003755)
We're still avoiding Windows 11 at work. I haven't upgraded at home yet. Friends who have are fighting issues with hardware compatibility and bloatware.

Ok, I’ll hold off.

My machine works purrfectly on Windows 10. It’s the first Windows I’ve really liked, since Windows NT.

RNajarian 05-19-2023 09:27 PM

The wife unknowingly upgraded our computer from Windows 10 to 11.

I hate it. A completely new learning curve awaits me since too many things are different.

Eventually there will be an end of service date for Windows 10 then no more updates/patches and you will be forced to upgrade to 11. Will the upgrade be free at that point? Only Microsoft knows.

Bill Douglas 05-19-2023 09:39 PM

I'm on 10. I can't be bothered learning new tricks when I finf 10 to be very good.

I'll wait until 12 or 13 and then change because I have to.

917_Langheck 05-19-2023 10:35 PM

I use both. 11 is made for the "I can't read a dial face clock" crowd, and it's terrible. Keep to the 10.

RobFrost 05-19-2023 10:36 PM

I upgraded dell to 11 and now when my laptop powers down the 2nd monitor (dell) doesn't come back until I cycle the power on the monitor.

The machine is noticeably slower, and the only apparent benefit is to Microsoft who have circumvented my resistance to my machine downloading news and ads to the desktop. These now appear in the premium real estate in the bottom left hand corner, while the windows menu now comes up from the slightly more difficult to find middle.

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GH85Carrera 05-20-2023 04:56 AM

I switched to 11 Pro after only a month of nagging from Microsoft. Many if not most older computers can't be upgraded anyway. 11 requires several things that your computer likely does not support. I had to update the BIOS on my main system to get to secure boot.

My Microsoft Surface laptop can't be upgraded.

It likely is a moot point for most older computers, you can't do it on them.

Like every new OS in Microsoft lots of things are changed just a little. Poke around, and you will find the new way to do it. And the news and weather banners can easily be turned off. I don't want Microsoft showing me their "news" of BS stories of celebrities, or other useless information. I have all of that turned off.

Nickshu 05-20-2023 05:02 AM

Been using 11 for a year. No issues.

unclebilly 05-20-2023 05:04 AM

Only issue for me was that I had to upgrade Solidworks. Windows 11 runs a newer SQL server…

jcommin 05-20-2023 05:30 AM

I just switched recently and just don't see the advantages from 11.

Zeke 05-20-2023 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobFrost (Post 12003796)
I upgraded dell to 11 and now when my laptop powers down the 2nd monitor (dell) doesn't come back until I cycle the power on the monitor.

The machine is noticeably slower, and the only apparent benefit is to Microsoft who have circumvented my resistance to my machine downloading news and ads to the desktop. These now appear in the premium real estate in the bottom left hand corner, while the windows menu now comes up from the slightly more difficult to find middle.

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That's all I see. I avoid brushing the cursor there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nickshu (Post 12003837)
Been using 11 for a year. No issues.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcommin (Post 12003861)
I just switched recently and just don't see the advantages from 11.

Yes and yes.

JackDidley 05-20-2023 05:58 AM

I went to 11 on my old dell. There is an easy work around and it will load on an old computer. I did not like 11 and went back to 10. Almost never use Windows anyway. Linux for the win.

island911 05-20-2023 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcommin (Post 12003861)
I just switched recently and just don't see the advantages from 11.

Pretty sure the advantages are all for Microsoft.

island911 05-20-2023 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 12003839)
Only issue for me was that I had to upgrade Solidworks. Windows 11 runs a newer SQL server…

Do older versions of SWx not run on Windows 11?

unclebilly 05-20-2023 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 12003919)
Do older versions of SWx not run on Windows 11?

I could not get 2020 to run on win11. I tried it multiple times. Fortunately, SW or Hawkridge had a deal in December where if you paid for 3 years of maintenance in advance, they would not make you back pay your subscription. It worked fine.

john70t 05-20-2023 07:29 AM

Win11 is a step backwards imo.
1). Many common menu items are now scrambled and hidden under different menus.
2). MS removed the ability to access and change common features.
3). Accessing Programs/Apps etc now requires extra clicks. The Start Menu is also half taken up by "Recommended" which is just "History". No obvious option to turn that off.
4). One-Drive and Edge run in the background and automatically tracks usage.
5) Half the features and twice the spyware.
6). It takes half an hour to turn off all the background progs running by default. And that is still not enough.

I'm using Explorer Patcher to regain some of the classic Win10 look.

jyl 05-20-2023 08:44 AM

My laptop and desktop run the same software and are set up as identically as possible. When I’m forced to upgrade, I’ll do the laptop first and hopefully work out the kinks there.

GH85Carrera 05-20-2023 08:58 AM

I use several mapping programs for my aerial photo company. The programs simply require Win 11 Pro to run. It does like memory, but that is not an issue for my system.

LEAKYSEALS951 05-20-2023 10:21 AM

Long live windows 7.

stevej37 05-20-2023 02:24 PM

I watch Amazon's laptop sales.
They are almost all Windows 11 now.

dad911 05-20-2023 04:18 PM

My laptop upgraded automatically back in February. Not happy, tried to roll it back but could not.

I keep tuning off auto updates, and it keeps turning back on.

Bought a Mac Mini last fall, and bought a macbook today.

red-beard 05-20-2023 04:30 PM

I upgraded my Laptop and hated it. I downgraded back to Win 10. I have a very specific setup and some of those features are gone in Windows 11. Specifically, address bar.

Mrs. Beard upgraded her PC to 11 and basically doesn't care.

If you are not doing much (e-mail, specific applications, etc.) it won't matter.

Bill Douglas 05-20-2023 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951 (Post 12004100)
Long live windows 7.

Haha.

Yep, I was thinking long live DOS 2.1

island911 05-21-2023 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 12003922)
I could not get 2020 to run on win11. I tried it multiple times. Fortunately, SW or Hawkridge had a deal in December where if you paid for 3 years of maintenance in advance, they would not make you back pay your subscription. It worked fine.

Good to know.

Also good to know that Hawkridge "deal."

IDK about you but I stopped seeing value added by subscriptions years ago. Even older SWx product is quite capable. Read: SWx biggest competition is their previous releases. Yet they still want thousands to "keep current." - yeah, ok. Seems pricy for this or that new macro.

GH85Carrera 05-21-2023 10:34 AM

The biggest thing that made me want to move to 11, it is like the Jaws music, soon all new computers will come with 11 as the only choice. I might as well learn the new OS and live with how it works.

At one former office we still used one old 4.77 Mhz PC running DOS 6 booted from a floppy. It had one task only, print stickers for the back of photos for sports card for kids. No newer computer could do it easier or better.

One of my friends stuck to Win 95 until 2015 and his old computer died and he was totally lost learning Win 10.

Por_sha911 10-15-2024 05:33 PM

I have a Win 7 and love it but it isn't supported.
Work computers use Win 10 - close enough to 7 and fairly stable. *Beware: it is about to lose updates and support soon.
I had to buy a new computer last November and 11 was all that I could find. It is not as intuative to those used to 7 or 10. Features are gone or buried. Takes longer to do something unless you want the computer to run you instead of you run it. It took me a full day to shut off all the stuff that spies on you. But, worst of all: the last two updates have had major bugs! If yours gets hit with a problem, you will spend many hours to undo the 'improvements' in the update (unless you have to reset back to factory and start from scratch).

Stay with 10 for as long as possible!

RobFrost 11-03-2024 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 12003879)
That's all I see. I avoid brushing the cursor there.



It's still downloading all the news every day, processing all the images and data and holding them in its memory, just so they're ready in case you do.


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GH85Carrera 11-04-2024 05:05 AM

Win 11 is a bit different than 10. But it is here to stay for a while and Win 10 will not be supported for much longer. If your system can run Win 11, go ahead and do it. It is not that bad.

I am totally adapted to it now. I had no choice as many of my mapping programs will only run on Win 11 Pro.

I have had zero problems with it. It is stable and it works. Just do it!

911 Rod 11-04-2024 07:38 AM

Some of my work print driver's don't work with 11. Beware.

Deschodt 11-04-2024 07:46 AM

it's SAFE, especially in a home setting, especially if you don't have strong work-level encryption on your drive etc.. We're finally biting the bullet at work, personally I see ZERO reason to do so, aside from Win10 end of life support issues..

It looks like they took the interface bits, gargled, and spit them out in different places - for no reason.
Notifications are more annoying than ever before...
I do not want Copilot AI on my PC potentially stealing all my data for research.
Not a fan of the new start menu, extra clicks to get to where I wanna go
There isn't a single Win11 feature I can think of that made me go "woo, worth it"

For us it's 100% because of enterprise support. I would stay on Win10 if I could.

john70t 11-04-2024 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 12351474)
Some of my work print driver's don't work with 11. Beware.

Windows10 erased my Win10 computer printer drivers with a mandatory Update.
I tried to find drivers.
Because Windoze would not.
Then: "This product exceeded its lifespan"..or some BS was the message.

Canon website was not able to 'provide' it's own product drivers.
(how cumbersome is it to store a few MB?)

An 8-10 yo printer....working perfectly fine....until that moment.
I previously bought plenty of OEM Ink at ~$50/pop.

My business and computer was sabotaged remotely. With the help of a major OS. FU Microsoft.

Tobra 11-04-2024 11:40 AM

10 to 11 is a downgrade

rwest 11-04-2024 02:52 PM

According to the start page on my laptop, we still have almost a year before 10 isn’t supported.

My old laptop won’t run 11, so I will wait until next year and then buy a new computer.

id10t 11-04-2024 04:08 PM

MS finally got things mostly right with win 7, then started focusing on screwing over the non enterprise users

even on the enterprise side it aint a walk in the park. thankfully i only deal with linux servers and code

id10t 11-04-2024 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 12003919)
Do older versions of SWx not run on Windows 11?

They may/may not but how do you feeel about being forced into the ms online services ecosystem, or having everything you do on the computer analyzed and summarized by an ai (ms recall), down to screenshots....

Not to mention the UI interference with their news, etc

john70t 11-04-2024 05:27 PM

Believe it or not, I don't recall ever recall paying for cable subscription my entire life.

They said "there will be no commercials for pay tv".
They soon lied.

Now it's almost all commercials. A dozen channels in a row. All commercials.
Now calculate that probability...

RNajarian 11-04-2024 09:05 PM

I just want to use a computer.

#$&*@%§ Windows 11 gives me pop up news feeds I don’t want, gaming pop ups I don’t want and the $&*+%@# weather. I live in Southern CA, the weather is hot, I don’t need to be reminded every time I turn on my computer it’s hot outside.

I wish I knew how to disable all that crap.

. . . and what happened to my programs? Now they are called Apps. What’s the difference?

GH85Carrera 11-05-2024 05:14 AM

Just google How too disable that app. There will be several sets of instructions on how people do it. No program needed, the tools too do it are built in to the OS. Microsoft even has the step by step instructions on most of it.

That is my biggest complaint of Win 10 or 11. They so much need a business install option. They are set up as if I am a college student using a laptop on public WiFI and I do gaming. That is not me at all.

I don't play games. And I can't care less about their news feeds or weather updates. I have them all killed off. It took a while to work through all the crap to delete.

I have two high end video card in my system that NVIDIA is convinced I want to play games with. I put those card in to process aerial photo mosaics. They help churn through the data. Every time I update the driver it wants to have a big display about the new games. Eff em, I have better ways to waste my time than a computer game.


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