I was watching this video today- A different take on the Dunning Kruger effect. Perhaps it applied to the CEO- well- specifically him (He did get into the sub). Perhaps all. Perhaps not. Who will ever know?

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There used to be a sportswriter back in the ’60’s, ’70’s. Name of Jim Murray, national, not local. One year, writing about the indy 500 he penned this immortal, infamous line - “Gentlemen, start your coffins”

I wonder how many people read that and had the same reaction that a lot of us are having here, me included. I mean, if you think about some of those shed-made, crude, scary shtiboxes people used to race on the USAC circuit, he was exactly right in a lot of cases. A crash could just as easily mean death, or dismemberment or just a dirty face, and the drivers all accepted it, no matter who they were. I’m sure there are people who race today that don’t understand how dangerous it used to be.

I don’t really have a point, other than things we take for granted as safe as milk today were once the stuff of only the bravest daredevil, and maybe we have an expectation that we’ve got this science and math stuff licked and are surprised and maybe a little angry when we see a crack in the façade.

Who knows. I'm just rambling. Trying to make sense of the whole endeavor.

Good interview with James <iframe width="940" height="529" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/5XIyin68vEE" title="James Cameron on &quot;fundamental flaw&quot; in design of Titan submersible" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen></iframe>Cameron

Perhaps near the end of the century, folks will look at the first half and refer to it as a multi-decade period of rapidly increasing disruption.

With rapidly spreading popularity in a variety of fields-- not just to acquire money and/or power, but perhaps to also elevate the species.

Exploration can identify opportunities for disruption, and disruption can help enable valuable exploration that is otherwise difficult or impossible to conduct.

2 quick remarks- the PARFy element would probably revolve around “what were they were trying to distract us from” by manipulating the media to run front page (kid-falls-in-well) stories about how many hours of O2 they might have left. When they knew it imploded days ago. That’s easy grist for the PARF mill.

Other thing is your kayaking tale is remarkable! What a wonderful experience that was and I wish I was there. Thanks for telling it,

While being interviewed by Anderson Cooper today, James Cameron stated that composite vessels work well to contain internal pressure, like when used in an airplane fuselage, but aren't well-suited for dealing with external pressure, like that being experienced by a deep-sea submersible. He said that you might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later, the composite will fail.

Not exactly sure what Cameron's engineering credentials might be, but he claims to have helped design the craft that took him down to almost 36,000' below sea level to the deepest point on Earth. "You'd have to bring down a backhoe to go any deeper".

Edit: Didn't see that Serene911 had already posted the whole interview while I was typing this.

The Cameron interview was interesting.... for example CF instead of metal as a design approach that someone else was considering related to getting to the Challenger Deep.

Perhaps an old related story:

https://www.cnet.com/culture/steve-fossetts-unfinished-legacy-deepest-ocean-exploration/

Interestingly Cameron seems to say he was at least a wee bit open-minded about CF a decade later with the recently lost sub.

He is clearly an accomplished expert.



As an engineer by education decades ago, I have seen a lot of advancements in tech.

As a DIY racer I have made many things out of CF, CKevlar, and Kevlar in my garage. But nothing structural.

More Cameron. (Notice the Thor jersey! He must ride dirt bikes, too!)

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Probably, he's got a farm not far from my place.

Well, hopefully the price of these tours drops down dramatically. I'm holding out for a better quality sub to go see the wreckage of the Titan.

Pass if the new one is "Titan II"

Logically, it should be the Tit.

Here’s the article he wrote, some years after the crossing. Then he and Katie opened a sea kayak shop and trip company in Orange county, which is where I met him. After I left SoCal, I heard that he’d left the kayaking business and become a schoolteacher. I recall he had an English degree and I always thought he was a born teacher.

Marblehead Magazine Ed Gillette: California to Hawaii

He never tried to get any publicity from his feat, that little article is all he ever wrote about it, until recently when he finally wrote a book about the now long-ago feat. Actually, no, I see that someone else wrote it.

https://www.amazon.com/Pacific-Alone-Untold-Kayakings-Boldest/dp/149302681X/ref=nodl_?dplnkId=715949c2-b0bc-48fc-9d80-08b4cd75ecde

I assume, but asking, that there will be no effort to recover any human remains?

My thinking is that instantly going from 14 psi to 4,700 psi would turn a body into liquid.

I imagine with that kind of pressure increase for a millisecond it must have been like being in a diesel cylinder. I wonder if there was combustion.

I think it’s more like a road paver driving over a 2 liter bottle of strawberry soda.

Someone will do a computer simulation.

I can't get my head around the incineration part -- I mean I understand the physics of it -- just the sheer speed of the sequence of events. Seems like the most merciful outcome if they were going to perish.

I missed that bit would you point me to it please?

As a WAG I'd say it's related to adiabatic compression but I am a chemist not a physicist.

I'm not sure it's in the interview posted -- I've read it in a few different spots. This article mentions a breach of the hull would be like an explosion going off:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/20/missing-titanic-submarine-best-and-worst-case-scenarios

There are some Reddit threads where people shared the math, too.