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Chocaholic 06-21-2023 04:00 PM

Possibly the most inappropriate and insensitive use of bandwidth in Pelican history.

Congrats.

VenezianBlau 87 06-21-2023 04:31 PM

If someone sewed up their own wing suit and launched off a building...it's pretty much the same thing. The comments would be similar. We're all going to die, hopefully not doing something stupid that only serves as a warning to others.

Some Rube Goldberg contraption with no integral ballast tanks...no mention of redundancies, not tethered as is normal at that depth...not tested thoroughly.

I empathize with the MH370 passengers. They were victims, not willing participants in something that anyone with an ounce of God-given instinct would say "this doesn't match up with what I consider a reasonable risk" or more to the point "I have a bad feeling about this but can't put my finger on it". Sort of a post-modern view of man's place in the scheme of things.

john70t 06-21-2023 04:51 PM

Sorry but inappropriate is the lack of pressure on public safety officials to do something after days with a potential common problem.

Or the fact it was certified and allowed in the first place.
I can't even cut down a tree in my own back yard.

flatbutt 06-21-2023 05:02 PM

I'm not a religious man but I believe murder marks you in a way that goes beyond the mortal. No way I'd take innocent lives to spare my own.

Crowbob 06-21-2023 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 12028382)
Possibly the most inappropriate and insensitive use of bandwidth in Pelican history.

Congrats.

Maybe you should think this through a bit.

This awful scenario wouldn’t be a completely lost cause if someone survives. Do you have any suggestions on how that could possibly happen?

Shaun @ Tru6 06-21-2023 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dentist90 (Post 12028256)
For sure. If it was a twilight zone episode the hatch would be opened just after you struck the last blow.

Or… the others died quickly in their sleep but you get to suffer until the end.

Both worthy endings. A little darker, I might have the antagonist getting away with the crimes and gets home to find that his whole family had perished under similar circumstances through actions like his own.

IS300 06-21-2023 05:34 PM

tell them its was all for one

Chocaholic 06-21-2023 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 12028467)
Maybe you should think this through a bit.

This awful scenario wouldn’t be a completely lost cause if someone survives. Do you have any suggestions on how that could possibly happen?

Perhaps it’s how I was raised but such a scenario would never enter my mind. Especially as a distant observer in the closing hours of a very horrific situation. Regardless of wealth or bad decisions, these are fellow human beings with families who are equally terrified.

The only action I can think of would be tranquilizers to relieve anxiety as the worst plays out. And an excess of tranquilizers for those who choose that path.

Crowbob 06-21-2023 06:23 PM

So, even though you offer no competing scenario wherein there might be any survivors, discussing such a possible scenario could be the most inappropriate and insensitive use our hosts’ bandwidth in its history?

craigster59 06-21-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 12028470)
Both worthy endings. A little darker, I might have the antagonist getting away with the crimes and gets home to find that his whole family had perished under similar circumstances through actions like his own.

He spent the money for the sub ride that was meant to fix their heating system in the house.

Family died from carbon monoxide poisoning.

Chocaholic 06-21-2023 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 12028515)
So, even though you offer no competing scenario wherein there might be any survivors, discussing such a possible scenario could be the most inappropriate and insensitive use our hosts’ bandwidth in its history?

Yes, I think you’ve got it now.

Except I offered a competing scenario. Have someone explain it to you.

VINMAN 06-21-2023 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by craigster59 (Post 12028381)
Don't you get a bursting of blood vessels around the iris in the eye on asphyxiation?

Petechial hemorrhaging.

Crowbob 06-21-2023 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 12028518)
Yes, I think you’ve got it now.

Except I offered a competing scenario. Have someone explain it to you.

Oh. OK.

Can someone explain to me how, in the context of this discussion, being tranquillized while the ‘worst plays out’ or ending one’s own life results in survivors?

VenezianBlau 87 06-21-2023 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 12028479)
Perhaps it’s how I was raised but such a scenario would never enter my mind. Especially as a distant observer in the closing hours of a very horrific situation. Regardless of wealth or bad decisions, these are fellow human beings with families who are equally terrified.

The only action I can think of would be tranquilizers to relieve anxiety as the worst plays out. And an excess of tranquilizers for those who choose that path.

You tend to respond to posts when it's a convenient argument

Chocaholic 06-22-2023 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 12028531)
Oh. OK.

Can someone explain to me how, in the context of this discussion, being tranquillized while the ‘worst plays out’ or ending one’s own life results in survivors?

Let me help. It’s really not a difficult concept. The OP proposed violent murder as a method to reduce O2 consumption, even though the opposite would surely occur. Sedation would reduce anxiety, hyperventilation and general panic. Sleep and relaxation might potentially result in somewhat reduced O2 consumption. Would it save lives? Doubtful.

And Mr. V-Blau…responding with a convenient argument is now verboten behavior? With what do you reply to threads, like this one? Please explain. Or is it an opposing and reasonable perspective that troubles you?

rfuerst911sc 06-22-2023 05:21 AM

My 2 cents . My life is not worth more than anyone else . We are equal . You win as a team you lose as a team . In this case you die as a team . May be simplistic but that's what I believe .

black73 06-22-2023 06:06 AM

Great! I was hoping to read a discussion on the merits of mass murder in a hopeless situation this morning!

I knew just where to go.

PPOT never disappoints!

911 Rod 06-22-2023 07:02 AM

It's a lot harder to kill someone with your hands than is seen in the movies.
Never mind 4 people.
I'd just die with everyone else.

john70t 06-22-2023 07:16 AM

Trick question. (D)None of the above. It's a zen Koan. There are no correct answers. Even suicide would violate the parameters.

cockerpunk 06-22-2023 07:16 AM

pretty wild to think that many people's last actions before death would be murder.

when you last action in the face of nearly certain death should be one of community and caring.


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