Perhaps this recent news item will help you understand:

Dr. Richard Moon, a professor of anesthesiology at Duke University, said that despite conditions being dire, those aboard the OceanGate Expedition's submersible could extend the oxygen available after its tank is depleted by staying calm and moving as little as possible.

"The actual amount of time that they have is unpredictable, but it's probably less than 24 hours after the final oxygen in the tank is depleted," Moon, director of the Duke Center for Hyperbaric Medicine and Environmental Physiology, told ABC News.

There's endless true stories of cannibalism for survival...
Andes plane crash.
Many life raft stories.
Someone should live to tell the tale.

I think the loudmouth that can't stop talking should go first...

No, I did not propose violent murder.

I asked what ones threshold for self preservation is.

There is a father down there with his son.

As a parent my kids come first before everything. My wife and I agree if it ever came to one of us or the kids we are fine with the other putting us last.

I can honestly say if it where me down there with one of my children everyone would be well advised to put on a helmet and sleep in shifts.

Flame suit on.

If you were lucky, you wouldn't live long enough after offing your shipmates to smell their rotting corpses - although unless you kept your eyes shut, you would have to look at them.

In the event the sub was ever found, and I wasn't around to face the well-deserved scorn, I still wouldn't want to be remembered that way.

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Seems pretty unambiguous.

Quote me fairly or don’t quote me at all.

I also asked if one wouldn’t.

Boy, this is a really dark subject.

The real question is, why would any sane person put themselves in an untenable position like this?
In a non-certified experimental submersible. Built by a team without any old, experienced submariners on it.
The fact that the waiver says death as one of the possibilities 3 times on the first page would be enough to stop me.

The closest I've ever come to this is the submarine ride at Disneyland and I never thought of offing my fellow passengers. Or at least not much.

The OP assertion/question is flawed as it entertains only one conclusion (and an unlikely one). Subsequent threads opened the scope and that's why I participated as there's other scenarios to consider. Not that I believed they had any chance when they didn't magically break the surface with no ballast tanks, although I can't confirm that as the only ballast tanks I saw are on the detachable sled.

I wonder if the sub had suicide pills in case they realized they were doomed. I remember in the Challenger spaceshuttle disaster the crew survived the explosion and were talking right up to impact in the ocean. The audio was not released, and just as well...like looking at a frwy crash and wishing you hadn't.

Survivor 2024 - Death Capsule…

I disagree on flawed.

It wasn't a question, more a hypothetical and was only meant to apply to one conclusion regardless of how unlikely it was.

It used the current horrendous situation as a real world example.

Fun fact, I saw a tour of the sub on TV this morning. It is all run by a Bluetooth game controller... What could go wrong?:rolleyes:

Oh and you better be some kinda Ninja because that would be your only weapon.

I keep hearing the dig on the use of the game controller.

It's possible they used some generic POS but generally as far as game controllers go they are pretty reliable and can withstand a lot of wear and tear.

Drivers for them are fairly standard and easy to integrate into just about any system.

Arguably far more reliable than a bespoke solution.

It's tried, true, and proven tech.

I had posted in the other thread but this story was the exact and true dilemma that these few remaining sailors faced after being adrift with no hope. The sailors draw straws to decide who will give his life so the others can eat him for survival. A true story that preceded the writing of Moby Dick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_(whaleship)

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This is not responsive to the question posed.

Could extend oxygen supply is not the same as surviving.

If you insist on being pedantic, the least you could do is be right.

Is it fault tolerant? Control reliable? Redundant? Is there a back up controller?

I suspect that they lack the basic safety required on a factory control device at Ford or GM, let alone what I would expect on a submersible...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt they meet the industrial standards of a crane remote control.

The question posed was at what point do you start bludgeoning others to extend O2 availability for yourself. Tranquilizers are a very valid and non violent suggestion reinforced by Dr. Moon. He seems to have qualifications on the topic far beyond ours.

Not sure who pee’d in your coffee but you’ve shot and missed yet again. And for no valid reason.

Have a nice day.

I honestly could not tell you if they meet the industrial standards of a crane remote because I have no idea what those are.

I do know that game controllers are tested for things like environmental operating temps where a quality controller can function from as low as 4F up to 140F. Thermal shock testing, drop testing, vibration testing, tests of the control interfaces like analog joysticks, buttons and triggers.

I suspect in some areas they would meet those industrial standards but in other areas like construction materials they might not.

As far as durability my gut would say yes and possibly they exceed industrial standards unless industrial standards also include testing for being thrown at a wall from across the room in fits of frustration multiple times a day.

My point being, while it sounds ridiculous and I will freely admit it kind of is ridiculous to use one in this situation they are not inherently fault prone or flakey devices.

I remember back on 9/11 when people were jumping out of the windows of the towers to their death.

A psychiatrist/ psychologist made the remark that there was a certain inner peace that comes from taking control of a situation where death is imminent and being the master of your own demise.