Hideous:
 

The very definition. When you think of evil people, it's easy to drift towards more conventional criminals, like maybe someone who does a drive by shooting in the 'hood and indiscriminately kills small children. And yes, that person is a sociopath but this hideous wench also embodies the very worst of entitlement and privilege in a sociopath.

My hatred for her is complete, I hope that she rots in prison and eventually kills herself out of self pity. She will never feel pity for her victims. :cool:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-25/rebecca-grossman-jury-trial-crosswalk-deaths-two-boys

In order to really understand this one, you need to read the previous news stories but they are linked in the article posted. Hopefully not all paywall. Otherwise, just google Rebecca Grossman crash.

Basically, going through a marked crosswalk with people crossing going 80? mph, killing two small children and trying to flee while drunk. Her car shut down because the airbag deployed and she was caught.

Sounds pretty horrendous. I didn't read any of the attached articles.

Lady went through a crosswalk going ~80 killing 8 and 11 year olds while narrowly missing their mother and 5yo brother. The lady didn't stop until the car stopped itself. Presumably, she was under the influence of something, but not charged that way (weird). If she was sober, holy hell.

"his client was not the only motorist to pass through the crosswalk when the children were struck that night."
WTF? I don't care is 20 cars went through the intersection all narrowly missing the kids.

Come on, certainly there's some sort of camera footage, and even if there isn't, if the car was "heavily damaged" to the point that the air bags went off and the Merc SUV shut itself down, then there had to be evidence that it was her car that did the damage.

What a disgusting person. The only thing worse than killing a couple of children is killing a couple of children on a pedestrian crossing. Then she has the cheek to deny it.

I didn't read it all either .... imo, an atty who attempts to keep these "hideous" folks outta jail when they are guilty are just about as bad...

There are some jobs that I just could never do ...

Sucks for the family ... and she can rot in a cell forever.

A horrific tragedy for Mark and Jacob Iskander and their family. There will never be true justice for them.

Hopefully the prosecution is solid. From what I read, she blew 0.076% and 0.075% at the scene with a breathalyzer and tested 0.08% with a (more accurate) blood test 3 hours later. And she tested positive for valium. Strong allegations she was racing with friend or lover retired Dodgers pitcher Scott Erickson after being seen at a restaurant having margaritas with him.

To get a second-degree murder conviction, Gould and Castro must prove that Grossman acted with implied malice and knew the act of driving at a high speed in a residential area was dangerous to human life.

John Hobson, one of Grossman’s attorneys, said that “the evidence supports we have a tragic traffic accident,” but there was no implied malice, and Grossman was not “driving with proximity attempt to kill.”

Prosecutors argue that that knowledge comes from her prior incidents. Jurors will probably hear from a California Highway Patrol officer who pulled over Grossman in 2013 after she was clocked going 92 mph on the 101 Freeway in Agoura Hills and warned her she could kill someone.

Prosecutors have not offered a plea deal to the socialite, who has been out on $2-million bond. If convicted of all charges, she could face up to 34 years in prison.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-01-16/rebecca-grossman-murder-trial-begins-after-crash-that-killed-brothers?_gl=1*jkm13l*_gcl_au*MTQ4ODY1NjI5Mi4xNzA2 MzAzNDQ1

You can get 6 months of the LA Times online for $1

She's the wife of the doc who runs The Grossman Burn Center in Woodland Hills. Apparently she was having a "liquid lunch" with some ex-Dodger pitcher and they were racing through the streets of Westlake Village.

Here's a little background on the case. She thinks she's not the one who hit the kids. Her husband is standing by her side even though she was having an affair.

https://www.foxla.com/news/rebecca-grossman-deadly-westlake-village-dui-crash-2-boys-killed-final-court-appearance

Her car says otherwise.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1706305806.jpg

Imagine how hard you would have to hit a small child to do that much damage to a 6k lb. SUV and make the airbag deploy.

Sorry, two small children.

She has already been sued for wrongful death by the victims family. She reportedly remarked to the mother, “I hope that you never need the Grossman Burn Center,” (her husband’s medical facility).

She should have been suffocated at birth.

It was not an accident! It was a wreck she caused with reckless disregard of all in the area. No neighborhood has an 80 MPH limit for a good reason. Most have a 25 MPH limit for the same good reason.

She knowingly drank a alcohol, knowingly, got behind the wheel of her car and drove at stupid reckless speeds, and killed two children. I hope she is sentenced to two counts of murder, and dies of old age in prison.

According to one of the articles, when a cop was giving her a speeding ticket she said the same thing to the cop.
I wish someone would turn that around on her with "I don't plan to, but I hope you DO extensively NEED the services of the Grossman Burn Center."
I'm pretty sure that the punanni can't be good enough to have to deal with that sheiße.

It wasn't an accident, it was negligence.

I don't remember if the article said, but there was a crosswalk but no stop sign or light. I'm assuming that the road was probably 45mph, maybe 35mph. It doesn't sound residential and 20-30. Still, going 70-80+ and not even realizing that you'd hit a person...

Maybe she needs to start having people tell her, "I hope you're burned over a large percentage of your body so you can go get services from the Grossman Burn Clinic." She should have someone tell her that every day for the next 10 years.

I read the accident occurred on three-way intersection on a four lane road (that has to be two lanes each way) with a 45 mph speed limit and no signal light (now there is a signal there). I believe it was well known for traffic traveling at highway speeds.

Second degree murder convictions certainly don't sound like they're guaranteed, even though Rebecca Grossman probably qualifies, technically.

Looks like the trial started off with a bang. Looks like it'll be about 6 weeks before we know the result.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13010691/Rebecca-Grossman-murder-trial-LA-Jacob-Mark-Iskander.html

Grossman Burn Center is where Jay Leno was treated.

Yikes... Freekin horrible.

Defense atty says her car was not the FIRST one to hit the kids, but another car did a few seconds before. Guy in that car has already been cleared via pre-trial intervention.

How convenient. :rolleyes:

Wonder what the parents, standing mere feet away, will have to say?

Her defense lawyer is doing what he can, which is not much. Basically putting up lies that are a waste of breath or at least an extreme Hail Mary but I hope and trust that the jury sees through the BS. He is a high priced mouthpiece from Texas, she shopped around until she found one who told her that he could get a walking deal.

Not sure what you mean by, "how convenient," but the entire circumstances of this incident were investigated pretty exhaustively since it happened. The boyfriend's SUV was looked at and did not show any evidence of hitting anything. Look again at the damage to hers.

I read the boyfriend had two black (MBZ?) SUVs. Did both get inspected?

I've followed this case since I read the Times. I read where her lawyer was planning to try and shift the blame.

So, the cliffs notes are, these two were having drinks and whatever and decided to leave in tandem. He's driving in the lead and she's following. So he's doing whatever speed she has been shown to have been doing by the log in her car.

He goes through the intersection first.

Pause here for a moment.

Next, he's been said to have stopped maybe nearer the scene of the children getting hit, climbing out of his undamaged vehicle and hiding in the bushes observing. I know nothing more than that and you're reading my version of a newspaper report.

Back to her. She's shown to have been doing around 60MPH at the point of impact after possibly doing as much as 80 a couple blocks back. So 2 SUV type vehicles go blazing through the streets and through this intersection how many seconds apart? Well, a short enough time that the dude saw what happened.

The mother is at the crosswalk with 3 kids. Dude goes flying by and she steps into the crosswalk. At that point the Grossman vehicle is iminent. The mother has the hand of one child and leaps out of the way but the other 2 are left and hit.

There is no doubt in my mind that punishment isn't in order. I would like to know more about the other driver, the one that whizzed right by the mother and pulled over. Sounds to me that he got lucky. It also sounds like he contributed to this as well. Did he get a speeding ticket?

I didn't hear one way or the other.

He got convicted of reckless driving or something and paid a fine.

Well, that's not enough for him, IMHO. I consider him to be in instagator. Doesn't take anything away from her culpability, just add to his.

We'll see how this goes.

My prayers were answered and she was found guilty of all charges, including 2 counts of 2nd degree murder. She was taken into custody and will be awaiting sentencing.

So justice is still alive. Thank you for the update.

I know what punishment I would give her . Glad she was found guilty . Hopefully the sentence is 50+ years without parole . RIP to the two innocent souls lost and may their family find peace after this tragedy .

Justice will truly prevail when she gets into GenPop, where those who bring harm to children are somewhat frowned upon......

What do you know about women's jail? She's not likely to go to a country club but for the sake of peace in lockup I think they will place her accordingly.

Side note: she was separated from her husband at the time. I see two things happening there; A) he stays married for quite a while and doesn't pay any alimony, or b) her behavior relieves him from expensive alimony. She is obviously wealthy being married to a wealthy doctor/businessman in a community property state.

More: if she has any formal duties at the burn center, she is automatically fired cutting off income from that source. I read somethings about civil cases vs liability cases. It seems like a sure thing that the Iskar family will file a WD suit. It will be interesting to see how her assets are attacked.

Due to the notoriety of the case the judge can't go light on her si I bet she gets the majority of the 40 years. Probably out in 18 or so. She'll be a old prune by then. I bet they don't have a Botox clinic in the prison.

I hope that she kills herself in prison. I hope that she just can't hack going from a 100% entitled life to being a number in lock up. Her lack of remorse for killing someone's kids is appalling. She is scum and the world would be just a little bit better without her in it.

11 out of 100,000 women do suicide while imprisoned; it's 28 per in local jails.

I've been thinking about this. In a year or 2 hardly anyone will remember this. Those that are close,, and some such as MADD members, and many others will use this as an example. But how many people will that actually leave an impression on? (I'm speaking of 'impresion' clinically.) Not the majority in the least.

Squirreling Mrs. Grossman away to be forgotten and any money received by the family is not going to leave much of a dent. The guy that shot the 6 YO on the 605 freeway, and just got sent away for 40 years is not on enough people's minds. And that was deliberate no matter how anyone feels about Grossman.

In medieval times they put people in stockades for minor crimes. I just did a survey of how many countries approach murder sentences and it seems the U.S. is amongst the toughest with some countries handing out only 3 to 5 years for a crime similar to this one. Well, that's not going to work.

The question is why do we have as many prisoner rights as we do? And what would benefit society better than tossing the key and letting this be forgotten? In many Muslim countries hand or finger amputation is a punishment for stealing. Punishment for adultery can be rather extreme, even in the US. (life sentence in MI). Mainming is a life sentence.

My personal feelings are that Mrs. Grossman's case not be forgotten. How do we do this? And please don't take this to PARF, there need not be any political discussion. Simply providing a press release periodically so that MSM has something to chew on would be better than this situation dropping off the radar.

Charlie Mason did a pretty good job of this on his own. I think that helped the heinous nature of his crimes stay in people's minds. It really bothers me that Lindsey Lohan's time in jail was chronicled just about 24/7 as that was a waste of time and stunk like TMZ. Yet, OTOH, we got to see that you fcuk up over and over, you go to the slammer.

If Rebecca Grossman has a tough day and sobs herself into dehydration, let's hear about it. Her misery needs to be documented, not ignored. Getting sent away and forgotten is not enough.

What do you suggest? Putting her back into society in a way that she is always identified with her crime and anyone can see this is a life sentence. Never to drive again, of course. The impact would be infinitely better. What could be done to ensure this?

I'd say car has definitely hit or been hit by something. Did the other speeding car have damage?

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That is what it looks like when you hit an 8 year old at 70+ mph.

Well, she got 15 years in the slammer. https://news.yahoo.com/news/california-socialite-sentenced-15-years-211031150.html

What does 15 to life actually mean? How long till she's out on probation? 15 seems rather light for a double murder.

I honestly don't know how Buzbee lives with himself. That guy is such a scumbag.

I'm kind of curious what kind of prison she'll be in - min or max security, furloughs, privileges, etc. Good to see she'll do some hard time, though not enough.

Looks like 9 years, pending appeal.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/rebecca-grossman-westlake-village-crash-sentence/3432639/

If I were involved in this, even peripherally, I would make her the most complicated case her husband ever dealt with.