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Shaun @ Tru6 02-29-2024 06:58 PM

Dune: Part 2
 
This movie is why you go to the movies. And must be seen on IMAX. It was bigger and better in every way compared to the first Dune in 21. Whether or not you like the story/subject become immaterial, just pick an aspect of movie-making: cinematography, score, actors, effects, etc. and Dune 2 excelled in every one, in every way. It was gripping, engaging every moment in the 2:45 minute run time. If you liked the first one, you will love two. And definitely see it in IMAX. It's what a movie should be, Denis Villeneuve created a masterpiece with the 2.

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jyl 02-29-2024 07:34 PM

I saw it on IMAX. Excellent. I had one major reservation about the first movie - that’s been more than addressed in the second. (It’s about Lady Jessica.) Highly recommended.

cstreit 02-29-2024 09:00 PM

I’ve read the books many times, definitely in my top 10 sci-fi. This new series is seriously true to the books and I cant wait to see pt 2

Pazuzu 02-29-2024 09:33 PM

What about the sound? The first one was absolutely PAINFUL to watch in the theater. I literally winced through the whole thing, and it made me hate the movie. The overall soundscape was not only so loud as to be physically dangerous, but the Zimmer score was so loud that we missed entire lines of the movie because the vocal track was many decibels lower than the music track.

Edit: There are reports across the planet supporting this, it wasn't just me being childish about it...

Crowbob 03-01-2024 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 12204226)
What about the sound? The first one was absolutely PAINFUL to watch in the theater. I literally winced through the whole thing, and it made me hate the movie. The overall soundscape was not only so loud as to be physically dangerous, but the Zimmer score was so loud that we missed entire lines of the movie because the vocal track was many decibels lower than the music track.

Edit: There are reports across the planet supporting this, it wasn't just me being childish about it...

Can you imagine what it is like for a hearing-impaired person? A person with normal (or relatively normal) hearing is able to separate sounds, such as comprehending speech in a noisy restaurant. Turning up the volume just makes it worse. Trying to decipher speech for two hours over the din of purposefully exaggerated sound track makes for an exhausting and very unpleasant experience. The ADA calls for accommodations which, unfortunately, are not always successful.

Shaun @ Tru6 03-01-2024 03:30 AM

It is a very loud movie Mike but one of things I liked about it, and Zimmer's score was perfect, to my ears and sensibilities anyway.

stomachmonkey 03-01-2024 04:58 AM

I had to rip up a napkin for makeshift earplugs.

It wasn’t that it was too loud but i have an intolerance to loud sharp noises like right now being at my MIL in FL who doesn’t believe in gravity and has to SLAM everything to make sure it stays in place and doesn’t float away.

The woman can make a roll of paper towels sound like cannon fire.

Steve Carlton 03-01-2024 07:31 AM

Which character in the movie is your MIL?

Zeke 03-01-2024 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 12204313)
I had to rip up a napkin for makeshift earplugs.

It wasn’t that it was too loud but i have an intolerance to loud sharp noises like right now being at my MIL in FL who doesn’t believe in gravity and has to SLAM everything to make sure it stays in place and doesn’t float away.

The woman can make a roll of paper towels sound like cannon fire.

I wear earplugs to any musical event, indoors, outdoors, movies, all of it. Yeah, my ears are damaged from construction but aside from noisy indoors like restaurants, I get by fine. Movies are in general way too loud. Last IMAX I saw was "Queen." Pretty good movie but my seats were too close and it wouldn't have made any difference sound wise. I could have listened to the whole movie from the the back doors while closed. I had to be stopped up so much that I lost the fidelity. That's a shame for a good movie with excellent singing.

I haven't been to a rock concert in decades. I remember seeing Queen live at Irvine and it was good. Loud but just loud enough. Then I saw Springsteen at the L.A. Coliseum. We left at the encore because of L.A. traffic and I could hear the concert a block away. I think the outside is 200' tall; I can't find a reference. I know the field is 30 feet below street level and that's where the stage was. Fidelity at some place like that is nigh impossible. It seems to be all about the compressions in your chest.

F that.

zakthor 03-01-2024 10:42 AM

I wonder if the sound varies by theater? I'm sensitive to loud noises (the sound in oppenheimer killed me) but I didn't have any problems with the sound in dune 1.

Then again I thought oppenheimer was a bad movie (hated everything except the main thesis) and I loved everything about dune 1.

herr_oberst 03-01-2024 10:49 AM

Theatre sound and concert sound is definitely an issue for me these days, thanks to my friend Mr. Tinnitus, and it doesn't help that for whatever strange reason, all acts, big and small, rock or folk or bluegrass feel the need to turn the dials to 11.

My rant is probably fodder for another thread. This thread is about Dune. I can't wait to see it, but now I know to bring earplugs.

stomachmonkey 03-01-2024 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Carlton (Post 12204452)
Which character in the movie is your MIL?

Imagine Fran Drescher crossed with Carla from Cheers.

Or really any Seinfeld like sitcom that has Jewish moms from Da Bronx.

Steve Carlton 03-01-2024 12:12 PM

I'm thinking Susie from Curb Your Enthusiasm.

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jyl 03-01-2024 08:18 PM

Volume must vary by theater. I didn’t have any problem with the volume, saw it in an IMAX.

masraum 03-01-2024 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by zakthor (Post 12204597)
I wonder if the sound varies by theater? I'm sensitive to loud noises (the sound in oppenheimer killed me) but I didn't have any problems with the sound in dune 1.

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Originally Posted by jyl (Post 12204861)
Volume must vary by theater. I didn’t have any problem with the volume, saw it in an IMAX.

I'm sure that theaters must have some sort of "volume" knob. I'm pretty sure that I've been in theaters before the movie when the volume was "adjusted". I'm OK with loud, but I have experienced a couple/few movies where they seemed to over-do it. I'm sure there was a teenager in the booth, LOL.

pmax 03-01-2024 10:14 PM

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wdfifteen 03-02-2024 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 12204253)
Can you imagine what it is like for a hearing-impaired person? A person with normal (or relatively normal) hearing is able to separate sounds, such as comprehending speech in a noisy restaurant. Turning up the volume just makes it worse. Trying to decipher speech for two hours over the din of purposefully exaggerated sound track makes for an exhausting and very unpleasant experience.

That's why I don't go to movies in theaters much any more. The decibel level of the sound track and sound effects is so loud as to be painful, and the dialog is at such low volume that it is unintelligible.

I loved Herbert's book, and will no doubt go back and read it again before I see another sci-fi "blockbuster" on the big screen.

Rtrorkt 03-04-2024 03:48 PM

And 30 min of previews

LWJ 03-04-2024 05:56 PM

I saw it at a lower tier theater we like to support yesterday.

Wow.

When credits rolled I was shocked that 2 2/3 hours had passed. A pretty awesome film.

I did think that they dumbed it down a touch and that Zendaya (sp) can’t act.

But, I am a fan. Nicely done.

stevej37 03-04-2024 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 12204875)
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I'll never forget the afternoon in 1984 when four of us went to see the premiere showing of Dune. Sting was the main reason we went...we were all Police fans.
Walked out of the theater approx 3 hrs later shaking our heads. It was almost an impossible movie to understand.



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Sooner or later 03-05-2024 05:00 AM

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cockerpunk 03-05-2024 06:09 AM

the first one kinda sucked, im not even seeing this one. mainly because it felt like it was just really well produced fan fiction of dune. also BWAAHHHHHH while doing a slow pan of a beautiful shot is so 2010s. like, we've all seen that movie a dozen times now.

honestly, dune, just doesn't holdup any more. its just the space version of white savoir complex (ie pocahontas, the blind side etc). i know the world building was unique and amazing for its time, but the story itself just isnt very good.

Rusty Heap 03-05-2024 07:53 AM

All you guys complaining about movies being too loud..............went to a different church with a friend a month ago and there were ear plugs in a bowl at the door. Was as loud as a rock concert inside with speakers and light show.

flatbutt 03-05-2024 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 12206830)
the first one kinda sucked, im not even seeing this one. mainly because it felt like it was just really well produced fan fiction of dune. also BWAAHHHHHH while doing a slow pan of a beautiful shot is so 2010s. like, we've all seen that movie a dozen times now.

honestly, dune, just doesn't holdup any more. its just the space version of white savoir complex (ie pocahontas, the blind side etc). i know the world building was unique and amazing for its time, but the story itself just isnt very good.

Are you referring to the original trilogy?

Chocaholic 03-05-2024 08:51 AM

Worth seeing if you’ve never seen the earlier Dune movie?

flatbutt 03-05-2024 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 12206975)
Worth seeing if you’ve never seen the earlier Dune movie?

I've only seen part 1 but IMO the '84 Dune was truer to the original trilogy than subsequent interpretations. However, unless someone does a Jackson Lord of the Rings type sequence they cannot capture the richness of the books.

stevej37 03-05-2024 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 12206975)
Worth seeing if you’ve never seen the earlier Dune movie?


If you've seen the 84 Dune, as I have, you won't have any interest in the later versions.:D
They may be good...but I have a 40 year old bad taste from it.

Trailer from the 84 Dune...
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john70t 03-05-2024 09:45 AM

In terms of extended slow pans for dramatic effect there is Michael Mann, there is Christopher Nolan, and then there is Denis Villeneuve.

cockerpunk 03-05-2024 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 12206963)
Are you referring to the original trilogy?

sure?

ive never read them, just seen the movies. if there was some brillant story in there, the movies certainly have not found it.

Deschodt 03-06-2024 07:45 AM

This movie left me confused...
On the one hand it's well done and I had a good time and that means more folks will discover the books etc.. Kudos, thank you, etc..

On the other, there's so many liberties taken with the book it bothered me.. Stilgar was made to look like a religious moron, for comic relief.. Chani was supportive of Paul in the book not pissed at him. Way more time passed in the book before Paul was able to retake power, his sister was born, his mother took longer to win the fremen over etc.. the speeding up up of all that makes the fremen look like a bunch of houti fundamentalists lobbing drones at supertankers. Uncomfortably so. The bene Gesserit was sorta glossed over, these women have so many powers that were not demonstrated and could have a movie just about them. Paul did not kill the baron, His sister (who had time to be born) did. The whole thing seemed rushed and the fundamentalist angle pushed really hard but also looking dumb at the same time (see stilgar memes now).

All in all , super cool movie, loved it, but IMO he shoulda put more of #2 into #1 (honestly not that much happened in #1 and it was dragged on), or done it in 3 parts just for the first book..

Shaun @ Tru6 03-06-2024 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 12207551)
This movie left me confused...
On the one hand it's well done and I had a good time and that means more folks will discover the books etc.. Kudos, thank you, etc..

On the other, there's so many liberties taken with the book it bothered me.. Stilgar was made to look like a religious moron, for comic relief.. Chani was supportive of Paul in the book not pissed at him. Way more time passed in the book before Paul was able to retake power, his sister was born, his mother took longer to win the fremen over etc.. the speeding up up of all that makes the fremen look like a bunch of houti fundamentalists lobbing drones at supertankers. Uncomfortably so. The bene Gesserit was sorta glossed over, these women have so many powers that were not demonstrated and could have a movie just about them. Paul did not kill the baron, His sister (who had time to be born) did. The whole thing seemed rushed and the fundamentalist angle pushed really hard but also looking dumb at the same time (see stilgar memes now).

All in all , super cool movie, loved it, but IMO he shoulda put more of #2 into #1 (honestly not that much happened in #1 and it was dragged on), or done it in 3 parts just for the first book..

I read a lot about the inconsistencies between the book and the movies, your above and more. I haven't read Dune so I could only rely on the movies as the story and enjoyed them both immensely. I'm not sure if directorial changes would have mattered though certainly noted and discussed. I was going to add things like this in my OP but thought it would only detract.

Dixie 03-06-2024 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 12207000)
If you've seen the 84 Dune, as I have, you won't have any interest in the later versions.:D
They may be good...but I have a 40 year old bad taste from it.

Agreed, I got drug against my will to see that movie. It was worse than the book. The book's prose is simple to the point of being uninteresting, and most mysteries are explained as soon as introduced, negating any tension.

stevej37 03-06-2024 05:08 PM

^^^ The four of us were excited to get tickets to the premiere showing of the movie.
All of us were sci-fi geeks along with fans of the Police and Sting.

Movie was long and it seemed like twice that length. We were silent on the trip home.

Alan A 03-06-2024 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 12207551)
makes the fremen look like a bunch of houti fundamentalists lobbing drones at supertankers. Uncomfortably so.

I read it in the early 80s as a kid. I felt the book was like that anyway.

It always seemed like an ode to religion-of-peaceful-fundamentalism - to the point that I’m surprised he wasn’t fatwad like Rushdie.

Alan A 03-06-2024 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt. Carrera (Post 12207929)
Agreed, I got drug against my will to see that movie. It was worse than the book. The book's prose is simple to the point of being uninteresting, and most mysteries are explained as soon as introduced, negating any tension.

The first one is real pretty in 4K. I watched it for the cinematography.

stevej37 03-06-2024 05:17 PM

^^^The first one was in 1984....is that the one you mean?

Alan A 03-06-2024 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stevej37 (Post 12207955)
^^^The first one was in 1984....is that the one you mean?

No - silly. Part one. Not the sting abomination. That monstrosity should have been deep sixed on arrival.

stevej37 03-06-2024 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan A (Post 12207957)
No - silly. Part one. Not the sting abomination. That monstrosity should have been deep sixed on arrival.

Yep..I agree with that.:)

Reading some of the earlier comments about the 'first Dune movie'...it's confusing about which they are talking about. Wish they would have named the first one 'Dune 1' and went from there.

zakthor 03-06-2024 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 12207551)
This movie left me confused...
On the one hand it's well done and I had a good time and that means more folks will discover the books etc.. Kudos, thank you, etc..

On the other, there's so many liberties taken with the book it bothered me.. Stilgar was made to look like a religious moron, for comic relief.. Chani was supportive of Paul in the book not pissed at him. Way more time passed in the book before Paul was able to retake power, his sister was born, his mother took longer to win the fremen over etc.. the speeding up up of all that makes the fremen look like a bunch of houti fundamentalists lobbing drones at supertankers. Uncomfortably so. The bene Gesserit was sorta glossed over, these women have so many powers that were not demonstrated and could have a movie just about them. Paul did not kill the baron, His sister (who had time to be born) did. The whole thing seemed rushed and the fundamentalist angle pushed really hard but also looking dumb at the same time (see stilgar memes now).

All in all , super cool movie, loved it, but IMO he shoulda put more of #2 into #1 (honestly not that much happened in #1 and it was dragged on), or done it in 3 parts just for the first book..

I agree. It’s a fairly intellectual book, lot of time spent fleshing out Paul’s transformation. The movie swapped in a bunch of fighting I guess, with swords n stuff, which was boring. The other combat was insane though.

I see the movie as it’s own thing. Some stuff was beautifully done even if it doesn’t match the book. I thought they did a great job with the bene gesserit - the seduction of feyd?

I liked that Paul isn’t the good guy. The production quality is epic.

What’s holding it back for me is that it’s just sort of a meh story. Frank Herbert is about exploring world views and movie succeeded at that.

Saw it at a local imax. The previews were waaay too loud. Movie was too loud for me twice. Def see in giant imax theater, sit in the back the movie is a real spectacle. Sort of a waste of time to see it on a little tv. I doubt I’ll watch it again. Unlike that other gurney hallock movie: ‘hail ceasar!’ Which I’ve seen 5-6 times.

Seahawk 03-09-2024 05:36 AM

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